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Old 09-25-2008, 11:21 AM   #46
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Yeah well I did not hear all the Redskins fans creaming "character" when Sean Taylor was putting a gun in someones face.
You bring a good point. ST had his moments of transgression, for sure. You might point out as well, that ST was well on his way to complete turn around in the lifestyle toward the positive.
I don't think you can make that case, (at least not for long) as "First" pointed out, these are the good times. When things go a little South, TO will be bangin' the local media with tales of ROmo's encounters and GAYness, romantic getaways with Clay Aiken, etc.
AND, I do not believe JJ puts much stock in character issues ot the lack thereof.
Obviously, Joe and by extension, the Dan do!
I believe JZ does as well.
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Old 09-25-2008, 11:38 AM   #47
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You bring a good point. ST had his moments of transgression, for sure. You might point out as well, that ST was well on his way to complete turn around in the lifestyle toward the positive.
I don't think you can make that case, (at least not for long) as "First" pointed out, these are the good times. When things go a little South, TO will be bangin' the local media with tales of ROmo's encounters and GAYness, romantic getaways with Clay Aiken, etc.
AND, I do not believe JJ puts much stock in character issues ot the lack thereof.
Obviously, Joe and by extension, the Dan do!
I believe JZ does as well.
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I acknowledge the fact that ST did turn it around.

But what gets me is after 3 years of Pro-Bowl performance, and a verified locker room leader and supportive team mate, many Redskins fans cannot acknowledge that Owens "has made a complete turn around in the lifestyle towards the positive" to use your words.

Same goes for Tank Johnson, you cannot deny that he "has made a complete turn around in the lifestyle towards the positive" to use your words.

And even though it may be early, you could start to lump Pacman in that group as well the ones that "has made a complete turn around in the lifestyle towards the positive" to use your words.

So how long is it going to take for you to acknowledge that it does not matter what uniform a man wears on the NFL, they can all "make a complete turn around in the lifestyle towards the positive"?
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In regard to TO it's amazing what some good meds will do for you.
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Old 09-25-2008, 11:42 AM   #49
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Okay, you guys are entitled to your opinions and loyalties. But don't cry in your beer if the Redskins are last in the division and miss the playoffs.

There is a saying in the NFL that maybe you have heard. "You have to be in it to win it".

And sometimes that means that GM's may have to take a chance, gamble, risk or whatever you want to call it with very talented players with questionable pasts.

So far the gambles are paying off for the Cowboys though. Owens was always a pain in the ass in San Fran and Philly. Now, for every season he has been in Dallas he has been a perfect team mate, and even you can't deny that. People criticized the way Owens treated his QB in San Fran (Garcia) and the way he treated McNAbb in Philly. Now, when he has a great releationship with his QB and will pubilcally defend his QB (even to the point of tears, instead of publically attacking his QB) he is still scrutinized. The hypocracy baffles me.

What about Tank Johnson? Cancer in Chicago, but in Dallas his is a model team mate and citizen with several local charities he over sees.

Then Adam Jones. Not one issue off the field, not one. And did you know that he donated and distributed over a million dollars worth of school supplies in the Dallas area to children whose parents could not afford them? And he did this BEFORE he got reinstated, which means he did it before he got his pay started in Dallas. Pacman has been very active in the Dallas community.

Thing is those players may have been trouble elsewhere, but since coming to Dallas they have been model citizens, and I dare say they might even live up to the Redskins fans high expectations of "character".

When Jerry Jones bought the Cowboys he got the team for 450 million dollars.
Now the team value is the highest in the league at just over 1.7 BILLION.

You do not get that type of return without taking a few chances. And so far they are paying off nicely.
I myself was not talking about TO because he has a mouth issue not a legal issue. Those school supplies your talking about Pacman only distriputed them he did not purchase them. Just becuase Pacman has not had any current legal issues he has enough in his past for us to judge him . Tank I really do not know the extent of his legal issues but he is just one in a pattern of hiring players with legal issues.
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I acknowledge the fact that ST did turn it around.

But what gets me is after 3 years of Pro-Bowl performance, and a verified locker room leader and supportive team mate, many Redskins fans cannot acknowledge that Owens "has made a complete turn around in the lifestyle towards the positive" to use your words.

Same goes for Tank Johnson, you cannot deny that he "has made a complete turn around in the lifestyle towards the positive" to use your words.

And even though it may be early, you could start to lump Pacman in that group as well the ones that "has made a complete turn around in the lifestyle towards the positive" to use your words.

So how long is it going to take for you to acknowledge that it does not matter what uniform a man wears on the NFL, they can all "make a complete turn around in the lifestyle towards the positive"?
TO, Pacman and Tank had no choice but to turn their lifestyles around. This was their last chance and they were smart enough to realize it. Deion probably gets paid by JJ to babysit Pacman as they have become very close.
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Old 09-25-2008, 11:58 AM   #51
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I myself was not talking about TO because he has a mouth issue not a legal issue. Those school supplies your talking about Pacman only distriputed them he did not purchase them. Just becuase Pacman has not had any current legal issues he has enough in his past for us to judge him . Tank I really do not know the extent of his legal issues but he is just one in a pattern of hiring players with legal issues.
What legal issues? None have any legal issues. That is a part of thier lives they have put behind them.

Maybe that is part of the problem, people spending so much of thier time looking at the past, they loose focus of the future.

Are you telling me that in Redskins Land, people are not provided a second chance? If that were true, Sean Taylor would have been released as soon as he agreed to that plea deal.

The NFL says these guys are allowed to play, so they are. If not in Dallas they would have landed somewhere else. Maybe even in Washington.
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sandtrapp shut up already man . . . talk alil trash and keep it fun and spirited but i dont want a moral dictation from a cowboys fan that centers around the late great ST right now.

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I acknowledge the fact that ST did turn it around.

But what gets me is after 3 years of Pro-Bowl performance, and a verified locker room leader and supportive team mate, many Redskins fans cannot acknowledge that Owens "has made a complete turn around in the lifestyle towards the positive" to use your words.

Same goes for Tank Johnson, you cannot deny that he "has made a complete turn around in the lifestyle towards the positive" to use your words.

And even though it may be early, you could start to lump Pacman in that group as well the ones that "has made a complete turn around in the lifestyle towards the positive" to use your words.

So how long is it going to take for you to acknowledge that it does not matter what uniform a man wears on the NFL, they can all "make a complete turn around in the lifestyle towards the positive"?
There is a big difference here. ST did something stupid in his youth. He turned it around because of his kid and family. TO did the same thing in Philly that he did in SF. To say he has turned it around will only really apply when the boys do bad and he is still a model citizen. I would be willing to bet if an injury or something happens and the boys started losing, the old TO would show back up. I could be wrong, but I still think he believes it is all about him come the end of the day.
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Old 09-25-2008, 01:29 PM   #54
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I acknowledge the fact that ST did turn it around.

But what gets me is after 3 years of Pro-Bowl performance, and a verified locker room leader and supportive team mate, many Redskins fans cannot acknowledge that Owens "has made a complete turn around in the lifestyle towards the positive" to use your words.

Same goes for Tank Johnson, you cannot deny that he "has made a complete turn around in the lifestyle towards the positive" to use your words.

And even though it may be early, you could start to lump Pacman in that group as well the ones that "has made a complete turn around in the lifestyle towards the positive" to use your words.

So how long is it going to take for you to acknowledge that it does not matter what uniform a man wears on the NFL, they can all "make a complete turn around in the lifestyle towards the positive"?
I will certainly concede that, to date the Cowboys are making the castoff thing work. I also cannot deny that they are a powerhouse team if not the team this season.
Time will tell for Tank, and Pacman, they're just thugs.
HOWEVER, TO is a special case. He has a Large talent+Gigantic Ego=Perennial Asshole!
With him, meltdown is only a few quarters of imagined disrespect away (on his part) and it's "3 faces of TO"
He'll be callin' out Romo for playin' a little slap and tickle in the showers, etc
He has a repeated history of this stuff

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It's all about TO. When it's not, meltdown will ensue
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HOWEVER, TO is a special case. He has a Large talent+Gigantic Ego=Perennial Asshole!
With him, meltdown is only a few quarters of imagined disrespect away (on his part) and it's "3 faces of TO"
He'll be callin' out Romo for playin' a little slap and tickle in the showers, etc
He has a repeated history of this stuff

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It's all about TO. When it's not, meltdown will ensue
For 3 years we have been hearing this, and for 3 years it is yet to happen.
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For 3 years we have been hearing this, and for 3 years it is yet to happen.
Are you saying that TO has done nothing in the past 3 years to stroke his ego? You can't be serious. He is happy because they are winning and he keeps his name in the paper. That is not really any test on whether he will blow up.

This is a classic TO line. It is all about him coming thru.

"This is one of the greatest games that I feel like I've played in, just me coming through in the clutch," Owens said afterward.
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Old 09-25-2008, 01:45 PM   #57
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For 3 years we have been hearing this, and for 3 years it is yet to happen.
That is.....dorment, not cured
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That's because Tony Homo has been rubbing him the RIGHT way. Looks like T.O. has gotten over his jealousy of Jessica.
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Old 09-25-2008, 04:02 PM   #59
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Mark Twain once said:
"Never engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed person"

Now that unarmed person may be you, or, it may be me. Or worse yet it may be both of us.

But can we at least agree that we are definitely beating a dead horse here?
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