Raiders finally fire Kiffin

saden1 · 09-30-2008, 09:11 PM

I don't know if I believe what Al is saying but boy does Lane Kiffin sound like a douche bag.

JoeRedskin · 09-30-2008, 09:35 PM

I listened to Al's press conference. His story differs significantly from that being reported in the press (mainly that Kiffin was in complete charge of the team, that he and Kiffen had been on speaking terms, that Kiffin wanted to hire his dad away from Tampa).

I still haven't heard Kiffin's story straight from Kiffin - it has all been through 2nd hand sources AND I remember reading a commentator saying a couple weeks ago that Kiffin was rumour mongering. So there may be some truth to some of Al's statements. I suspect, however, that there is also quite a bit of spin.

Regardless, this is gonna go to litigation and it is gonna get ugly.

djnemo65 · 09-30-2008, 09:42 PM

Well, the problem with Al's side is that Kiffin is not the first coach/GM to allege that these things go on over there. Al has no credibility at this point. He's going to have a tough time next year even finding someone to take the job. He might have to pull a Gerry Faust and dip into the high school ranks.

saden1 · 09-30-2008, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by djnemo65

Well, the problem with Al's side is that Kiffin is not the first coach/GM to allege that these things go on over there. Al has no credibility at this point. He's going to have a tough time next year even finding someone to take the job. He might have to pull a Gerry Faust and dip into the high school ranks.

I'm guessing he'll probably promote Rob Ryan to head coach and keep it that way.

SBXVII · 09-30-2008, 11:22 PM

I know they put someone else in place whether intrim or not ....they should have tried to hire that ex-Giant coach we almost hired. LOL. He's pretty despirit at this point having been teased with our head coaching job. Go Fassel. LoL

That Guy · 10-01-2008, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by djnemo65

Well, the problem with Al's side is that Kiffin is not the first coach/GM to allege that these things go on over there. Al has no credibility at this point. He's going to have a tough time next year even finding someone to take the job. He might have to pull a Gerry Faust and dip into the high school ranks.

doubt it. if he's paying 2mill a year, someone's greed and ego will short circuit their better judgment.

I'd be a disaster as a head coach, but for that much money, I could live with a year of turmoil.

mooby · 10-01-2008, 01:40 AM

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More like the crypt keeper

Def. agree lol. Everytime I look at the face of Al Davis, I feel like I'm staring into the face of death, and if I stare too long I might regret it lol. I also wish I was trying to be funny here, but the sad thing is I'm being completely serious.

Either way, I think this will only be good for Lane Kiffin. That organization has been all the way at the bottom for several years now, and I pretty much agree the only way they will get better is once Al Davis moves on, to put it nicely.

Mattyk · 10-01-2008, 08:27 AM

Sorry there's no way I believe a word that Davis says on this. As someone said he's batshit crazy and he's the ultimate control freak. I'm guessing Kiffin didn't bow to his every word and it pissed him off, and now the cheap bastard is trying to get out of paying his contract. Absolutely pathetic.

skinsfan69 · 10-01-2008, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Sorry there's no way I believe a word that Davis says on this. As someone said he's batshit crazy and he's the ultimate control freak. I'm guessing Kiffin didn't bow to his every word and it pissed him off, and now the cheap bastard is trying to get out of paying his contract. Absolutely pathetic.

So you think everything Davis said is a lie? I know he's nuts but I tend to think that some of what he said is true. I believe the part about him not wanting Russell and trying to fire Ryan. I also believe Kiffin is lying about not talking to Davis for three weeks. The reporters Kiffin on it and he just blew them off.

I didn't watch the Buffalo game but it was reported that Kiffin had Janikowski try and 75 yard FG at the end of the game. Can anyone out there explain this? To me it looked like Kiffin was trying to get fired and still get paid.

gibbsisgod · 10-01-2008, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

So you think everything Davis said is a lie? I know he's nuts but I tend to think that some of what he said is true. I believe the part about him not wanting Russell and trying to fire Ryan. I also believe Kiffin is lying about not talking to Davis for three weeks. The reporters Kiffin on it and he just blew them off.

I didn't watch the Buffalo game but it was reported that Kiffin had Janikowski try and 75 yard FG at the end of the game. Can anyone out there explain this? To me it looked like Kiffin was trying to get fired and still get paid.

It was at the end of the 1rst half.

doughtydoubter · 10-01-2008, 10:28 AM

bleh al davis and kiffin are both nuts

SmootSmack · 10-01-2008, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

So you think everything Davis said is a lie? I know he's nuts but I tend to think that some of what he said is true. I believe the part about him not wanting Russell and trying to fire Ryan. I also believe Kiffin is lying about not talking to Davis for three weeks. The reporters Kiffin on it and he just blew them off.

I didn't watch the Buffalo game but it was reported that Kiffin had Janikowski try and 75 yard FG at the end of the game. Can anyone out there explain this? To me it looked like Kiffin was trying to get fired and still get paid.

1. Why should Kiffing be punished for saying he didn't think the Raiders should draft Russell? Coaches offer their opinion all the time on who the front office should draft. The right thing to do is take into consideration the head coaches' opinion. "Just coach the damn players on the field" is not the right answer

2. Kiffin was told he would have say over his staff after year one. He had the right to fire Ryan if he so wanted.

3. The 76-yard field goal attempt, which I thought was a gamble, was with one second left at the end of the first half.

All that said, Kiffin should have never been hired in the first place. He wasn't ready.

Mattyk · 10-01-2008, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

So you think everything Davis said is a lie? I know he's nuts but I tend to think that some of what he said is true. I believe the part about him not wanting Russell and trying to fire Ryan. I also believe Kiffin is lying about not talking to Davis for three weeks. The reporters Kiffin on it and he just blew them off.

I didn't watch the Buffalo game but it was reported that Kiffin had Janikowski try and 75 yard FG at the end of the game. Can anyone out there explain this? To me it looked like Kiffin was trying to get fired and still get paid.

Yes, I do think he's telling lies. There may be some small truths in there, but I think he's blowing them way out of proportion to fit his story. I think he's embarrassed that he totally botched the hire of Kiffin and he's trying to save face by placing the blame on him, it's classic Al Davis. Given his long track record of pure crazy I see no reason to believe him at all.

skinsfan69 · 10-01-2008, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

1. Why should Kiffing be punished for saying he didn't think the Raiders should draft Russell? Coaches offer their opinion all the time on who the front office should draft. The right thing to do is take into consideration the head coaches' opinion. "Just coach the damn players on the field" is not the right answer

2. Kiffin was told he would have say over his staff after year one. He had the right to fire Ryan if he so wanted.

3. The 76-yard field goal attempt, which I thought was a gamble, was with one second left at the end of the first half.

All that said, Kiffin should have never been hired in the first place. He wasn't ready.

I agree with everyting you say. As a HC he has the right to do all those things.

Monkeydad · 10-01-2008, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

He was fired "for cause" which is Al's attempt at firing him without paying him. I would LOVE to see the "cause".

Hmmmmmmm, wonder if there will be some litigation on this one. Anyone know the terms of Kiffin's deal?

I bet there could be a lawsuit coming. Didn't he pull this with Shanahan too?

Cause? Like...making the team better than he inherited it?

Davis is a whackjob.

09-30-2008, 09:11 PM	#31
saden1 Eternally Legendary Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 33 Posts: 9,738	Re: Raiders finally fire Kiffin I don't know if I believe what Al is saying but boy does Lane Kiffin sound like a douche bag. __________________ RG3, RGIII, RG三, RG३, RGγʹ, RGג, RG٣, RG๓, RG..., RG셋, RGԳ!

09-30-2008, 09:35 PM	#32
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 50 Posts: 7,166	Re: Raiders finally fire Kiffin I listened to Al's press conference. His story differs significantly from that being reported in the press (mainly that Kiffin was in complete charge of the team, that he and Kiffen had been on speaking terms, that Kiffin wanted to hire his dad away from Tampa). I still haven't heard Kiffin's story straight from Kiffin - it has all been through 2nd hand sources AND I remember reading a commentator saying a couple weeks ago that Kiffin was rumour mongering. So there may be some truth to some of Al's statements. I suspect, however, that there is also quite a bit of spin. Regardless, this is gonna go to litigation and it is gonna get ugly. __________________ My Little Pony: Friendship is magic? or ... a repressive matriarchal society where individuals' roles are defined by their immutable physical characteristics and governance is reserved for those who demonstrate the genetic purity of the pony master race?

09-30-2008, 09:42 PM	#33
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Location: MA Age: 32 Posts: 2,836	Re: Raiders finally fire Kiffin Well, the problem with Al's side is that Kiffin is not the first coach/GM to allege that these things go on over there. Al has no credibility at this point. He's going to have a tough time next year even finding someone to take the job. He might have to pull a Gerry Faust and dip into the high school ranks.

09-30-2008, 11:22 PM	#35
SBXVII Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,498	Re: Raiders finally fire Kiffin I know they put someone else in place whether intrim or not ....they should have tried to hire that ex-Giant coach we almost hired. LOL. He's pretty despirit at this point having been teased with our head coaching job. Go Fassel. LoL

10-01-2008, 08:27 AM	#38
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,739	Re: Raiders finally fire Kiffin Sorry there's no way I believe a word that Davis says on this. As someone said he's batshit crazy and he's the ultimate control freak. I'm guessing Kiffin didn't bow to his every word and it pissed him off, and now the cheap bastard is trying to get out of paying his contract. Absolutely pathetic. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

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