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Jansen was very solid today

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View Poll Results: Once Heyer is ready to play, who should be the starting right tackle?
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Old 10-07-2008, 10:23 AM   #31
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Re: Jansen was very solid today

The running game has clearly taken off with Jansen in there. Personally I think he should keep the job. If Heyer comes back I hope we don't go back to only running to the left, that's a problem.
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Old 10-07-2008, 11:05 AM   #32
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Re: Jansen was very solid today

hmm...thinking about this one.

If a RT can't pass block, you get em help.
If a RT can't run block, you don't play em.

Run blocking can be learned, pass blocking requires speed.
Ideally, Heyer needs to learn how to drive a man off the ball before he becomes a legitamate long term starter...otherwise, he should be a LT backup and at best RT starter.

Jansen is an ideal backup for interior line and an obvious starter if he can hold his own 1 on 1 against the pass rush....which he has done in the last 2 weeks.

Using that same measure of judgement, why not argue to bench Samuels, he has gotten beaten several times in the last 2-3 weeks for sacks, even with Portis help....ridiculous.
Samuels is solid and Jansen has played as well as any time in the last 3 years...
I say, keep Jansen in until he give up 3 sacks in a game....and that my friends, aint gunna happen anytime soon.
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Old 10-08-2008, 02:26 AM   #33
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Re: Jansen was very solid today

we've run better the last two weeks against very good teams with jansen, so...

start the old guy.


and as far as not losing your job to injuries - tough. go talk to doughty about it. personally, i rather win.
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Using that same measure of judgement, why not argue to bench Samuels, he has gotten beaten several times in the last 2-3 weeks for sacks, even with Portis help....ridiculous.
Okay, with all due respect, are u insane? Bench the best LT on the roster? Samuels is so much better than ANYONE else on the line it is insane. Has he gotten beaten? Maybe, but if you had Heyer in there, Campbell would have been sacked a lot more. Heyer is solid but still learning - do you think Heyer would have blanked Trent Cole? I dont.
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Re: Jansen was very solid today

I think Heyer is the long term answer, so for the long run its better to have him in there. I don't think its a huge drop off in the run game with Heyer in there, instead of Jansen.
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Old 10-08-2008, 09:31 AM   #36
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The running game has clearly taken off with Jansen in there. Personally I think he should keep the job. If Heyer comes back I hope we don't go back to only running to the left, that's a problem.
Couldn't have said it better. I'd take a kick ass running attack above all else.
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Okay, with all due respect, are u insane? Bench the best LT on the roster? Samuels is so much better than ANYONE else on the line it is insane. Has he gotten beaten? Maybe, but if you had Heyer in there, Campbell would have been sacked a lot more. Heyer is solid but still learning - do you think Heyer would have blanked Trent Cole? I dont.
That is my exact point...no one would ever suggest benching Samuels.
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Old 10-08-2008, 12:11 PM   #38
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Re: Jansen was very solid today

The poll results are interesting given that Jim Zorn continually states that Heyer will get his job back when he's well enough to play.
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You can't argue with the numbers. Two weeks of Jansen results in two big running days against teams and in stadiums where it has been tough for us to run. Maybe Zorn thinks Jansen is a bad influence with his RV.

I just can't get that excited about Heyer. He's huge, sure. But he has the look of a man that could break into tears at any moment.
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I didn't even vote because I don't know which one should start, I think both can do the job if they are in there, and given how the injury bug lurks, I am just glad they both are there and able to go if needed. Our lines are definitely a big part of the team's success.
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Old 10-08-2008, 09:25 PM   #42
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Re: Jansen was very solid today

Just wanted to add that as of Wed Heyer still appears to be watching practice from the sideline and he is questionable for this sunday. I think the more time he misses the stronger Jansen's position as starter comes. Heyer is still green and he cannot afford to miss reps and still play at the caliber of a starting RT.

Meanwhile, Zorn sounds intent on giving Heyer the job back when he's healthy. Maybe he should think about it more.
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Re: Jansen was very solid today

I'm just tossing this out there, but perhaps Zorn is just doing this to keep Jansen motivated and hungry?

Because realistically I don't know how he can look at game film and NOT see that the OL has become more stout in the running game and with little dropoff in pass pro with JJ in there.

And if Buges has any say in the matter which I'm sure he does, he probably has JJ's back and would prefer to keep him in there.
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Re: Jansen was very solid today

I do not like the fact that jansen has to be benched to bring his A game. Not what I want in a franchise tackle. Jansen has played well enough to tighten up the leash on heyer, but I'd put the kid back in when he's healthy.

My biggest problem is why couldn't he protect campbell in preseason. Sure its only preseason but if JC gets hurt we're screwed in the reg season. Pass protection is more important than run blocking. We don't run block well, we lose yards... we don't pass protect, we lose our QB. You shouldn't have to committ backs or tight ends constantly to either side unless they're picking up blitzes.

I like jansen and he's made himself noticed for sure. He's a warrior, but he mailed it in and risked a lot this preseason. I think Zorns making the right call.
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Re: Jansen was very solid today

Yeah after reading that Times article I am a bit worried about about bringing heyer back in. To me we won the last couple games because of our oline and our oline only. Without running the way we did, I dont think we could've controlled the clock and dominated. I really hope we keep Jansen in.

The next three games we might not need a great run blocker to win, but after that, I think we will see in a drop of runs to the right if heyer returns.
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