Thank You - An Open Letter

GMScud · 10-08-2008, 09:37 PM

Great, great post Schneed. I agree with everything you said, but I believe there is one missing aspect that Joe should be loudly thanked for:

Backing Danny off. When Joe took the reigns, Snyder almost immediately went from front and center on football decisions to just the guy they showed in the owners box on Sundays. We went from a real life "fantasy football" team full of ridiculous blunders as far as player acquisition, to a sound, disciplined organization (I know, I know, Llyod and Arch as the exceptions).

Snyder grew up a huge Skins fan and idolized Coach Joe. Joe did a wonderful job of helping Danny grow into the proper role of a good owner, and Danny finally started allowing football people make the football decisions. I'll never forget the way Danny handled the Sean Taylor situation. I gained a TON of respect for him after that tough time. At that moment, it became crystal clear to me just how much positive influence four years of being around Gibbs has had on the man.

For that Joe, I say another resounding THANK YOU!

53Fan · 10-08-2008, 09:43 PM

A+ Schneed!!! Fantastic post. This should be published. It's that good!!!

Schneed10 · 10-08-2008, 10:27 PM

Wow, much love. Thanks.

It's an interesting debate, would we be 4-1 with Gibbs at the helm. So tough to say. Campbell clearly has taken a leap this year, seems like Gibbs could have come up with something to make good use of that. Then again, maybe Campbell has taken said leap because of Zorn's teaching.

It's an impossible thing to sort out, but all I know is Gibbs did a hell of a job building this franchise, and Zorn is doing a hell of a job guiding it.

In the end, it just feels great to be a Redskin fan these days. Even greater than normal.

53Fan · 10-08-2008, 10:37 PM

You better believe it buddy!

vaoutlaws2006 · 10-09-2008, 12:18 PM

great post...i was just having this same discussion with someone the other day...I was making the point of how Joe Gibb's brought back respectability and Redskin pride. Hail Joe Gibbs for putting these players together and Hail to Jim Zorn for the way he has run with this thing. I know its early but who would have thought we would have been 4-1 after the first 5 games? Not me...I saw 3-2 or 2-3 at best....

SmootSmack · 10-09-2008, 11:53 PM

I thought this went well this thread

Washington Times - Building with Gibbs' guys

CrazyCanuck · 10-10-2008, 11:52 AM

Great post Schneedster. I'm a huge Gibbs fan and agree with everything you wrote.

That being said, I will go on record as saying that we would not be 4-1 if Gibbs were still here. Zorn is pretty much the anti-Gibbs with the way he calls plays, his go-for-the-throat mentality at the end of games, and his funny sideline antics. And I think this is just what the team needed.

The Gibbs II years had so many egos (Gibbs, GW, Saunders...) and there was always a level of stress and pressure on everyone to perform. Zorn and his "no-name" staff bring a fresh attitude and it seems like everyone is having more fun out there.

It's like Zorn doesn't know the "rules":

- No other Skins coach in the last 30 years (or ever) has won his first game in Dallas? Sorry wasn't aware...

- The Philly game was supposed to be a letdown after the big Dallas win, especially after trailing 14-0 and sitting on the brink of a blowout? Didn't know that...

- With 2:30 left in the game and 4th-and-1 from the opponents 40 we're supposed to punt and play D? Sorry not my style...

Gibbs put all the pieces in place and Zorn's style seems to be taking them to a new level (especially Campbell). So I think they both deserve a lot of credit.

Of course it's early and I'm really trying to contain my excitment, but right now me so Zorny.

GTripp0012 · 10-10-2008, 12:05 PM

We should take with a grain of salt things about clock management, gameplanning, playcalling, aggressiveness and other strategic decisions only because a coach can be great at things one year and then awful the next for no good reason at all.

However, thus far (5 games) Zorn has made basically all the statistically "correct" decisions. And it's hard to argue that it hasn't helped the Redskins win a bunch of tough games. I'll just argue that his luck will likely even out over time.

53Fan · 10-10-2008, 10:11 PM

Hey Schneed, I don't know how to post links, but your tribute to Gibbs made the Redskins Blog.

GMScud · 10-10-2008, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Hey Schneed, I don't know how to post links, but your tribute to Gibbs made the Redskins Blog.

Really? Just copy/past the link. That's awesome!

SmootSmack · 10-10-2008, 10:25 PM

Just check the Linkbacks at the top of this thread. It's right there

GMScud · 10-10-2008, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Just check the Linkbacks at the top of this thread. It's right there

Not sure how to use the linkback feature. It just gives me the think to this thread.

EDIT: I found it, but I still don't know how to use linkback...

SmootSmack · 10-10-2008, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GMScud

Not sure how to use the linkback feature. It just gives me the think to this thread.

EDIT: I found it, but I still don't know how to use linkback...

Under the Linkbacks you'll see "Posted by"

Click on the URL under there

Schneed10 · 10-10-2008, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Hey Schneed, I don't know how to post links, but your tribute to Gibbs made the Redskins Blog.

Sweet.

53Fan · 10-10-2008, 10:51 PM

Smoot, could you or GMScud post the link? It's on Redskins Blog on The Official Site of The Washington Redskins. Thanks, I can't figure it out.

10-08-2008, 09:37 PM	#31 (permalink)
GMScud 5 days Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 9,416	Re: Thank You - An Open Letter Great, great post Schneed. I agree with everything you said, but I believe there is one missing aspect that Joe should be loudly thanked for: Backing Danny off. When Joe took the reigns, Snyder almost immediately went from front and center on football decisions to just the guy they showed in the owners box on Sundays. We went from a real life "fantasy football" team full of ridiculous blunders as far as player acquisition, to a sound, disciplined organization (I know, I know, Llyod and Arch as the exceptions). Snyder grew up a huge Skins fan and idolized Coach Joe. Joe did a wonderful job of helping Danny grow into the proper role of a good owner, and Danny finally started allowing football people make the football decisions. I'll never forget the way Danny handled the Sean Taylor situation. I gained a TON of respect for him after that tough time. At that moment, it became crystal clear to me just how much positive influence four years of being around Gibbs has had on the man. For that Joe, I say another resounding THANK YOU! __________________ Better look for a mountain top not owned by any other group and start your own country of one. - Courtesy of JoeRedskin Sideline Reports Pain of discipline or pain of regret. Take your pick. GO GATORS!

10-08-2008, 09:43 PM	#32 (permalink)
53Fan Pro Bowl Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Chesapeake,Va. Posts: 6,312	Re: Thank You - An Open Letter A+ Schneed!!! Fantastic post. This should be published. It's that good!!!

10-08-2008, 10:27 PM	#33 (permalink)
Schneed10 Capped Out Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Havertown, PA Posts: 7,063	Re: Thank You - An Open Letter Wow, much love. Thanks. It's an interesting debate, would we be 4-1 with Gibbs at the helm. So tough to say. Campbell clearly has taken a leap this year, seems like Gibbs could have come up with something to make good use of that. Then again, maybe Campbell has taken said leap because of Zorn's teaching. It's an impossible thing to sort out, but all I know is Gibbs did a hell of a job building this franchise, and Zorn is doing a hell of a job guiding it. In the end, it just feels great to be a Redskin fan these days. Even greater than normal. __________________ Skins' Salary Cap Status \| CrazyCanuck's Cap Figures by Player \| Salary Cap 101

10-08-2008, 10:37 PM	#34 (permalink)
53Fan Pro Bowl Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Chesapeake,Va. Posts: 6,312	Re: Thank You - An Open Letter You better believe it buddy!

10-09-2008, 12:18 PM	#35 (permalink)
vaoutlaws2006 Impact Rookie Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Fayettenam, NC Posts: 806	Re: Thank You - An Open Letter great post...i was just having this same discussion with someone the other day...I was making the point of how Joe Gibb's brought back respectability and Redskin pride. Hail Joe Gibbs for putting these players together and Hail to Jim Zorn for the way he has run with this thing. I know its early but who would have thought we would have been 4-1 after the first 5 games? Not me...I saw 3-2 or 2-3 at best.... __________________ The future is obviously right now!

10-09-2008, 11:53 PM	#36 (permalink)
SmootSmack Gaius Appuleius Diocles Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 31,056	Re: Thank You - An Open Letter I thought this went well this thread Washington Times - Building with Gibbs' guys __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You sideline reports

10-10-2008, 11:52 AM	#37 (permalink)
CrazyCanuck A new day Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,149	Re: Thank You - An Open Letter Great post Schneedster. I'm a huge Gibbs fan and agree with everything you wrote. That being said, I will go on record as saying that we would not be 4-1 if Gibbs were still here. Zorn is pretty much the anti-Gibbs with the way he calls plays, his go-for-the-throat mentality at the end of games, and his funny sideline antics. And I think this is just what the team needed. The Gibbs II years had so many egos (Gibbs, GW, Saunders...) and there was always a level of stress and pressure on everyone to perform. Zorn and his "no-name" staff bring a fresh attitude and it seems like everyone is having more fun out there. It's like Zorn doesn't know the "rules": - No other Skins coach in the last 30 years (or ever) has won his first game in Dallas? Sorry wasn't aware... - The Philly game was supposed to be a letdown after the big Dallas win, especially after trailing 14-0 and sitting on the brink of a blowout? Didn't know that... - With 2:30 left in the game and 4th-and-1 from the opponents 40 we're supposed to punt and play D? Sorry not my style... Gibbs put all the pieces in place and Zorn's style seems to be taking them to a new level (especially Campbell). So I think they both deserve a lot of credit. Of course it's early and I'm really trying to contain my excitment, but right now me so Zorny.

10-10-2008, 12:05 PM	#38 (permalink)
GTripp0012 Weird for the sake of weird Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 11,620	Re: Thank You - An Open Letter We should take with a grain of salt things about clock management, gameplanning, playcalling, aggressiveness and other strategic decisions only because a coach can be great at things one year and then awful the next for no good reason at all. However, thus far (5 games) Zorn has made basically all the statistically "correct" decisions. And it's hard to argue that it hasn't helped the Redskins win a bunch of tough games. I'll just argue that his luck will likely even out over time. __________________ This isn’t just rearranging furniture on the Titanic. It’s rearranging furniture on the Titanic to make room for the wagon wheel coffee table. -- J. Posnanski, Sports Illustrated

10-10-2008, 10:11 PM	#39 (permalink)
53Fan Pro Bowl Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Chesapeake,Va. Posts: 6,312	Re: Thank You - An Open Letter Hey Schneed, I don't know how to post links, but your tribute to Gibbs made the Redskins Blog.

10-10-2008, 10:25 PM	#41 (permalink)
SmootSmack Gaius Appuleius Diocles Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 31,056	Re: Thank You - An Open Letter Just check the Linkbacks at the top of this thread. It's right there __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You sideline reports

10-10-2008, 10:51 PM	#45 (permalink)
53Fan Pro Bowl Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Chesapeake,Va. Posts: 6,312	Re: Thank You - An Open Letter Smoot, could you or GMScud post the link? It's on Redskins Blog on The Official Site of The Washington Redskins. Thanks, I can't figure it out.

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