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Old 10-14-2008, 10:39 PM   #61
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nfl live just said 1st, 3rd and 6th i believe, mighty high price to pay for a player who would have been a free agent after the season, detroit with a steal there because williams wasnt staying there next year. could work out well for dallas though

Williams wanted out of Detroit during preseason, so he got what he wanted and landed in Dallas. Team Chemistry is going to be messed up with Dallas. Roy is Mr Texas so TO better learn to live with fewer balls to catch. Detroit needed this to hopefully start a true rebuilding effort to make the team competitve finally. It also probably means Marinelli is toast after this season. Roy was great for Detroit, but with Kitna out for the year his efforts would have been wasted as the Lions don't have much of a running game to compliment the pass oriented attack. Orlovsky can't cut the mustard in the primary QB role. There is a good bet without Kitna and Williams that the Lions are going 0-16. Even with those guys they might have been able to squeeze out 2-3 wins, so the Detroit FO made the deal once Kitna was placed on IR. What this means for us is that we better have an excellent pass rush come rematch time or we just might be toast.
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Old 10-14-2008, 10:40 PM   #62
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Shit.

How the hell is any defense supposed to stop a tandem of T.O. and Roy Williams when you've got guys like Crayton, Austin and Witten still around?

We can mock it all we want, but I don't see how you can deny that this creates serious matchup problems for ANY defense.

Fortunately Romo and Felix Jones are out on the offensive side for a while, and hopefully Pacman has seen his last snap as a professional.

As long as they remain healthy, I'm pretty sure Smoot, Rogers, Springs and Landry can handle them.
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Old 10-14-2008, 11:30 PM   #63
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I know Williams is a talented guy but what has he really done so far in his career? He had one very good season in 2006 and the rest have been nothing to write home about. Good move for them but it's not going to keep me up at night. I think they gave up too much. If the Skins pulled that move Redskins nation would have a collective heart attack. They needed a DB, not another WR.
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Old 10-14-2008, 11:37 PM   #64
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I know Williams is a talented guy but what has he really done so far in his career? He had one very good season in 2006 and the rest have been nothing to write home about. Good move for them but it's not going to keep me up at night. I think they gave up too much. If the Skins pulled that move Redskins nation would have a collective heart attack. They needed a DB, not another WR.
Good point, thank god they didn't trade for Nnamdi Asomuga, who was rumored to be on the block. Now that would have scared me.
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Old 10-14-2008, 11:45 PM   #65
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He's a damn good receiver with potential to be great. He's been playing on a god awful team with inconsistent play all around. In '06 Kitna had 4200 yards and 21 tds, and not surprisingly Williams was really solid. His first four seasons totaled 244 catches for 3650 yards and 28 TDs. On the Lions. The Lions.

I could see him being very productive in Dallas, but with Romo's injury and TO's antics, it may be a while till we see big numbers from him.

I also think Dallas gave up too much. But a smart move for Detroit. They have Calvin Johnson, and now the potential to have 5 of the top 100 picks next year. They keep a franchise WR and significantly improve their draft each of the next two years. And with Millen no longer pulling the strings they may actually find some talent.
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Old 10-14-2008, 11:46 PM   #66
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I think Roy Williams is a great individual talent. No one is doubting that. But Williams seems to be -- I say seems to be because I haven't watched him play all that often -- an up and down player and he's only had one thousand yard season as a pro.

Williams isn't known for having Santana moments. Where he completely destroys a team, like Dallas, and wins the game by himself.
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Old 10-14-2008, 11:49 PM   #67
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The good news for Detroit fans is they got a helluva lot for Williams. The bad news for Detroit fans is that the Lions will draft another wide receiver with their first pick and then justify it.
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The good news for Detroit fans is they got a helluva lot for Williams. The bad news for Detroit fans is that the Lions will draft another wide receiver with their first pick and then justify it.
Without Millen around they may actually change their ways. Maybe.
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The good news for Detroit fans is they got a helluva lot for Williams. The bad news for Detroit fans is that the Lions will draft another wide receiver with their first pick and then justify it.
Isn't it amazing that out of those 4 guys they took (Charles Rogers, Roy Williams, Mike Williams, and Calvin Johnson) only one is still standing? What a joke.
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Old 10-15-2008, 12:07 AM   #70
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Isn't it amazing that out of those 4 guys they took (Charles Rogers, Roy Williams, Mike Williams, and Calvin Johnson) only one is still standing? What a joke.
Rogers and M.Williams were awful. R.Williams and C.Johnson are pro-bowl talent. Great picks talent-wise, the Lions just suck at addressing needs.
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Old 10-15-2008, 12:51 AM   #71
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This is actually a pretty good move for the Cowboys. They essentially gave up a first (remember, extra 3rd n 6th means it pretty much leaves them with their original draft picks) for a guy who can come in and make their offense that much better. Roy Williams is a Pro Bowl talent and we've all seen what having two Pro Bowl wideouts can do for your offense (Harrison and Wayne in the glory days in Indy, Boldin and Fitzgerald in Arizona) so this will make Dallas' offense that much better, especially when Romo gets back. Jerry made this move because in all seriousness that offense was going to be lacking with Hurd gone for the season, Romo gone for a month, and Jones out for two weeks. This move pretty much vaults them up the pack again to SB contenders.

Not to mention Detroit gets an extra first rounder next year that they can help to use with their rebuilding effort (I figure Marinelli won't last beyond this year at the rate he's going, and they will hire a new GM/coach after this season.
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Old 10-15-2008, 05:52 AM   #72
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I think there is justification on the Cowboys side, a first round pick for a pro bowl WR is good value but this still looks like a look at me trade .

Possibly one things that wasn't broken on that team was the passing game . The Run game with Barber as the feature back was always going to be in trouble if teams keyed on him , the defense is thin so boulstering a strength can some times be a smart thing .

Does it make them superbowl contenders .....not any more than they were a week ago . Someone still neads to get the ball to Williams or Owens . I think WR is a very over rated possition in the scheme of things . Look at the teams with the best WRs (Cincy, Indy and Arizona) and they have one SB between them . Balance is what it is all about . They had a great WR in Terry Glenn and that got them what exactly ?
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Old 10-15-2008, 06:01 AM   #73
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roy is good, but not nearly in the league of moss, TO, or andre johnson (or plex, or those two guys in AZ), and going forward calvin johnson and edwards will be better...

he's a crazy #2 (but still not the best - see Q in AZ or harrison/wayne in indy), but if it's really a 1,3 and 6, it's too much for one year or multiple years with heaps of new money. plus, adding him to the TO-centric offense... well, maybe TO gets a bit jealous.
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Old 10-15-2008, 07:50 AM   #74
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Re: Breaking News Roy Williams Traded to Dallas

Well I was concerned about TO's reaction as well. But from all reports, the GM mentioned the trade to Owens as is was being done and Owens was (quote) "ECSTATIC".

Then when the deal was finalized, reporters spoke with Roy Williams and he said the first call he got was from TO. So we will see I guess.

But as far as the deal goes it was not really all that bad. Yeah 3 draft picks sounds like a lot. But believe it or not yesterday morning when the Cowboys were getting their breakfast, they had 10 total draft picks for the 2009 draft.

After the trade was done at the end of the day, Dallas had nine draft picks for the 2009 draft. They only gave up one draft pick.

Because of Pacman's suspension, the Cowboys received the Titans 5th round pick. That was s stipulation of the trade.

Dallas already had two-3rd round picks (Cleveland) and two-6th round picks (Miami, Jason Fergeson trade).

So Dallas sends their first, third and 6th rounder for Williams. Chances are the 3rd and 6th round picks from Cleveland and Miami are going to be higher anyway.

And Dallas got a 7th rounder from Detroit.
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Old 10-15-2008, 08:29 AM   #75
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So seriously sandtrap, where have you been?
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