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Old 10-15-2008, 12:51 PM   #16
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Re: Santana Moss needs the damn ball

I didnt realize the fact that JC hasnt thrown a TD in 10 quarters. I think Zorn needs to open the playbook a little more and get some passes downfield. To Moss, ARE, Cooley, Thomas.
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Old 10-15-2008, 01:11 PM   #17
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Re: Santana Moss needs the damn ball

Two words: Flea Flicker!!! TD 70yds Santana Moss
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Old 10-15-2008, 01:22 PM   #18
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Re: Santana Moss needs the damn ball

Zorn is a former qb I'm sure he will continue to throw the ball. Some games you have to take what they give, Even randy moss was taken completly out of the playoffs last year after catching 23 tds during the season. If teams want to take someone out they will. We just gotta make them pay and I think we will. Look ARE had almost 100 yrds agains the rams so Campbell is finding other recievers. Take away the fumbles we win by 20. We're averaging close to 400 yrds total offense nothing wrong with that.
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Old 10-15-2008, 01:24 PM   #19
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Re: Santana Moss needs the damn ball

Good thread. SM has always had a tendancy to get lost for a few games. Coach Z has got to draw some plays up to get him the ball early and often. Even though El is a decent WR a lack of a true threat allows D's to focus on SM.

So, yea SM needs the damn ball. We also need to throw some TD passes this week.
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Old 10-15-2008, 02:46 PM   #20
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Re: Santana Moss needs the damn ball

As much as I want Moss to be getting the ball, the offense is succeeding whether he is targeted or not. In the Rams & Eagles game, they blanketed Moss - and CP runs for over a hundred & Cooley and ARE make a ton of catches. I would be concerned if Moss was not getting the ball AND we weren't taking advantage of it through other players.

The WCO is not a quick strike offense, it's a dink and dunk game that requires patience. Moss stretching the field and drawing defenders away from the line of scrimmage, however, is making the essential elements of Zorn's WCO more effective. In close games, I fully expect defenses to make stopping Moss their number one priority as he can change the game in one play. In doing so, they accept a slight disadvantage at the line of scrimmage by devoting an extra man to key on Moss in hopes that the Skins will, essentially, beat themselves on longer drives. In the Rams game, that is EXACTLY what happened. If the offense (or even just Kendall) had played mistake free, we win the game.

Yes, I love +20 yard passes as much as the next guy, but that's not how this offense is built. Moss is, however, making the offense much more effective even when he isn't catchng balls. I also believe that, if the defense does not account for him and instead commits to stopping Portis, their failure will be exploited and Moss would have huge game.

For the sake of my fantasy team, however, I hope Moss catches 12 balls for 3 TD's and a gazillion yards (I'm looking at you Matty)!!!!
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Old 10-15-2008, 06:40 PM   #21
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It'd probably also help if Moss could hold on to the balls that are thrown his way.
I'm shocked it took this long before someone mentioned the number of drops Santana has this season. That goes for you too ARE.

Previous posts are right... If we give JC some damn pass protection, he might have some time to let Santana get open. He checks down so quickly because he has no reason to believe anyone up front will protect him for more then 3 steps.
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Old 10-15-2008, 06:44 PM   #22
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Re: Santana Moss needs the damn ball

Also... I love how we finally have a team and coaches that look good and we can start daydreaming about, and all everyone wants to do is second guess the play calling.

"Santana is double covered and JZ needs to create plays/openings to exploit..." Blah Blah Blah.

You don't think he's trying to do that? Or do you think he's just an idiot? It must be one or the other.
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Old 10-15-2008, 07:00 PM   #23
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Re: Santana Moss needs the damn ball

I just read this thread from start to finish and the one point that I just keep going back to is that JC hasn't thrown a touchdown in 10 quarters. I was shocked to see that stat.
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Old 10-15-2008, 07:09 PM   #24
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Re: Santana Moss needs the damn ball

AMEN.... we have to get our most explosive player the damn rock until some of these rookies actually do something
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Old 10-15-2008, 07:11 PM   #25
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Re: Santana Moss needs the damn ball

You know what... everyone needs to just slow down and give it a little time. Things ebb and flow.

Santana has 3 TDs, 443 yards and averages 15.3 per catch. With 29 catches, that's almost 5 per game.

Chill.
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Old 10-15-2008, 07:34 PM   #26
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Re: Santana Moss needs the damn ball

Stacks42...man I agree with you..i havent seen the flea-flicker in the Skins arsenal in awhile...back in the day with Gibbs (version 1) it was fairly common play. However, with that said , the flea-flicker (like all deep pass plays) require time in the pocket and JC just hasnt been getting it.
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Old 10-15-2008, 08:33 PM   #27
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Re: Santana Moss needs the damn ball

Joe Theismann went down for good on a flea-flicker......Leave that play alone.
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Old 10-15-2008, 11:03 PM   #28
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I thought one of the newer issues with this offense was that JC had to take care of a lot more of the protection calls rather than Rabach?
Well, either way, someone is screwing up. We were bad at picking up all the blitzers last year, and we were 16 kinds of awful picking them up against the Rams.

On plays where Campbell knows that he's not going to get the blitz picked up, he possesses an incredible ability to not only slide around the pocket to get the ball out, but turn the play into the positive by finding an open receiver before a free rusher can get to him. That's Manning/Brady type stuff.

However, on other plays, Campbell clearly expects a 5 man blitz (usually a right side overload to be picked up), and usually this involves either a one on one situation on Jansen or Cooley, or a free blitzer in a gap, and Rabach won't touch anyone the whole play.

I'm really not out to get Casey Rabach here, but no matter who is calling the protection, he blocks nobody FAR too often. The book on the Redskins is this: if you want to get pressure on Campbell, overload the right side, with no one rushing in either A gap. Rabach doesn't ever slide over to Thomas' side to free him up to pick up an unblocked rusher, he just stands in the middle shuffling his feet and waiting for someone to come so he doesn't have to move.

I'd estimate this happens 3-4 times every game. At the same time, what can you do? Replace the Center? There's no guarantee things will get any better. You just have to keep Cooley and Portis in pass pro more often to make up for those plays where Rabach is useless.
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Old 10-15-2008, 11:07 PM   #29
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I understand the need to protect the gaps closest to the QB, and honestly, he does a good job at keeping teams from pressuring Campbell up the middle. It just changes the whole complection of the passing offense when you realize that some 5 man blitzes absolutely can not be handled by fewer than 7 blockers.

Now, if the opponent brings 6, Campbell's going to get the ball out hot. But the 5 man rush is the bane of our passing offense right now.
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Old 10-16-2008, 12:26 AM   #30
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I think the key is pass protection. JC was not able to exploit any DB mismatches b/c the line wasn't protecting him (and the Rams were thin at DB).
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