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Old 10-15-2008, 11:23 AM   #1
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Jansen vs. Heyer

in sunday’s game against the rams, jansen’s struggles in pass protection seemed to re-surface. it seems he has the power to neutralize the bull rush but lacks the athleticism to consistently combat speed rushers.

so, assuming heyer is now healthy, the questions is: who is our better option right now?

are we better off letting heyer develop his skills (particularly in run blocking)? if he is our long term answer at the position, one would assume that is the best thing to do. but how sure of that are we, really, at this point? is the fact that we aren’t sure yet cause to leave him out or to put him back in?

clinton portis is running his way to an MVP season. should jansen’s superior ability in the run game be our priority? or are we better served providing our young quarterback with the best possible protection?

a lot of factors to be considered here…

your thoughts:
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Old 10-15-2008, 11:28 AM   #2
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Re: Jansen vs. Heyer

I give Heyer one more week off to completely heal and Jansen one last chance to redeem himself.
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Old 10-15-2008, 12:03 PM   #3
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Re: Jansen vs. Heyer

3 straight weeks of 120 yards rushing for CP. I'm keeping Jansen in.
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Old 10-15-2008, 12:04 PM   #4
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I give Heyer one more week off to completely heal and Jansen one last chance to redeem himself.
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Old 10-15-2008, 12:08 PM   #5
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Re: Jansen vs. Heyer

JJ's pass pro last week concerned me. Last week at this time I was behind Jansen 100%, now not so much. As long as he's not going up against speed rushers he should be ok. There's no need to rush Heyer back, but I think once he's good to go he will get the job back.
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JJ's pass pro last week concerned me. Last week at this time I was behind Jansen 100%, now not so much. As long as he's not going up against speed rushers he should be ok. There's no need to rush Heyer back, but I think once he's good to go he will get the job back.
Maybe your onto something....Consider the strength of the D attack at that position and play the most appropriate guy that week.
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Old 10-15-2008, 12:15 PM   #7
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We HAVE to pass protect. Maybe give Jansen 1 more week and let Heyer fully recover but Heyer is going to have to learn to run block. He is our future right tackle.
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Re: Jansen vs. Heyer

Heyer is the better option IMO. Jansen has been getting pushed around since pre-season, I think he's pretty much done. I know he's been the rock and a Redskins stalwart but he's a liability in the passing game. Heyer can get better in the run game but Jansen's days as a starting RT are probably over.
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Glad i'm not the coach on this one.
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Old 10-15-2008, 05:51 PM   #10
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Re: Jansen vs. Heyer

Heyer. Jansen is good depth now, nothing else. I feel like our total lack of pass pro isn't worth an increase in run blocking. One bad pass protection can lead to a sack, fumble, etc. One bad run block will lead to a loss of 1-2 yards (both more or less worst case scenarios.)
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We HAVE to pass protect. Maybe give Jansen 1 more week and let Heyer fully recover but Heyer is going to have to learn to run block. He is our future right tackle.
Right on 53Fan.

Everyone is talking like Heyer has zero run block skills. He's not a practice sled. He has some freaking run block value.

JJ is to much of a liability. Yes, CP is running his heart out now, but do you want that to be at the expense of JC?

If you can't properly protect your QB, you don't deserve the starting job. Heyer will grow and his run blocking will improve. It's fine.

All you JJ lovers should tell CP and the rest of the dirtbags that our run success is due in large part to Janson. I'm not buying it.
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Re: Jansen vs. Heyer

What was the problem with the pass protection last week - besides it being non-existent? While i have heard a lot of sport radio talk about it being "Jansen" and the line, I heard a couple players say its was mixed communications with the backs picking up blitzes. What really is the cause of the protection problems?
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Re: Jansen vs. Heyer

All I know is that we have 12 sacks on the season.

Cowboys - 7
Eagles - 10
Giants - 6

Get Heyer in there and lets protect our future.

And... you may be on to something Hooray. There was certainly mix communication between some backs picking up blitzes. It's not all Jansons fault. True.

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Old 10-15-2008, 08:09 PM   #14
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Re: Jansen vs. Heyer

Heyer is what need at the tackle not Jansen. CP has been running well but if you look at it the big runs have been on the left side not the right side of where Jansen is. In the west coast offense pass protection is the key not running blocking. We need to protect Campbell by all means. Jansen is terrible in pass protection and after the season he will pack his bags and get off of our cap for younger athletic guys. Don't be surprise if Kendall is next. We have to get younger, athletic on the offensive line. Heyer will become a gret right tackle for us before moving to the left tackle to replace Samuels in about 4-5 years.
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Old 10-15-2008, 08:09 PM   #15
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Re: Jansen vs. Heyer

Clearly Jansen's one and only upside is run-blocking. The proof is in the pudding so to speak as we've seen Portis rack up yards like crazy the three games JJ has started. But... the thing to keep in mind is w/ Jansen's poor pass blocking our air assault is limited - in fact it seemed like we had to change the game plan against St. Louis to limit deeper routes and therefore the amount of time JC holds the ball. I think the implication is the longer Jansen starts the likelier teams are to throw more defenders in the box and key on Portis. The result: probably a weaker all around offense. If Heyer is finally healthy I think he ought to start and we ought to pass like crazy that first game to reestablish the air attack and keep defenses honest. Portis will see more room to run too.

Disclaimer: Both Jansen and Heyer are hurt too much IMO. Heyer is a kid but already having shoulder problems that keep him sidelined. We need to draft a bad ass o tackle for '09.
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