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Old 10-16-2008, 04:50 PM   #16
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You are right on the money Jake. People like sandtrapp don't seem to get it. He takes up for JJ like he owes him money.
You know what I find simply hilarious? Is when you review the Super Bowl history and the records that have been set in the Super Bowl era, the ONLY post-season, playoffs and Super Bowl record held by the Redskins is that for Most Consecutive Games Lost.

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And since acquiring the team in 1989 there has only been 2 teams to win 3 Super Bowls from 1989 to present.

That being Dallas and New England.

I am not saying all of Jerry Jones's decisions have been good, but the good ones far outweigh the bad ones.
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Old 10-16-2008, 05:11 PM   #17
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You know what I find simply hilarious? Is when you review the Super Bowl history and the records that have been set in the Super Bowl era, the ONLY post-season, playoffs and Super Bowl record held by the Redskins is that for Most Consecutive Games Lost.

NFL Playoff Records

I don't see that being true.

The record shows:
Most Consecutive Games Lost
6 N.Y. Giants, 1939, 1941, 1943-44, 1946, 1950
With the Redskins being the first team listed in third group of those who lost -4- games :
Washington, 1972-74, 1976
There are 14 teams above us in this category. The one right above us?
Dallas, 1996, 1998-99, 2003, 2006 (current)
Just the way I see it.

NFL Playoff Records: Team - Games

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Old 10-16-2008, 05:46 PM   #18
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You know what I find simply hilarious? Is when you review the Super Bowl history and the records that have been set in the Super Bowl era, the ONLY post-season, playoffs and Super Bowl record held by the Redskins is that for Most Consecutive Games Lost.

NFL Playoff Records

And since acquiring the team in 1989 there has only been 2 teams to win 3 Super Bowls from 1989 to present.

That being Dallas and New England.

I am not saying all of Jerry Jones's decisions have been good, but the good ones far outweigh the bad ones.
I don't see any other owner with a list of top "gaffes." I also don't see any other teams that have non-fiction novels written about their criminal antics, featuring said owner covering up assault, drug use, etc. Sure, he won 3 Super Bowls. Good for him. He also ran Jimmy Johnson out of town afterwards, only to fumble around with the next several coaches. Switzer, Gailey, and Campo were all terrible, and we all know Wade Phillips is a lame duck puppett. Jones is a win at any cost owner, and that cost includes, but is not limited too, throwing ethics out the window.

For every good personnel decision there seems to be a bad one. And nearly all of the recent good ones came with Parcells helping to shop for the gorceries. The bottom line is, this is a cocky team that is consistently too big for their britches, and consistently fails to win in the postseason.

Say all you want about the past. It's a what have you done for me lately league, and ultimately no one cares about good regular season records when you don't back it up in the playoffs. You guys are on the verge of implosion, and Romo is going to get killed if your supposed "best line in the NFL" can't keep him off the turf (knocked down 19x vs. Arizona with a broken bone to show for it).
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You know what I find simply hilarious? Is when you review the Super Bowl history and the records that have been set in the Super Bowl era, the ONLY post-season, playoffs and Super Bowl record held by the Redskins is that for Most Consecutive Games Lost.

NFL Playoff Records

And since acquiring the team in 1989 there has only been 2 teams to win 3 Super Bowls from 1989 to present.

That being Dallas and New England.

I am not saying all of Jerry Jones's decisions have been good, but the good ones far outweigh the bad ones.
Thanks for the link sandtrapp. It says the cowgirls lost 6 consecutive playoff games and the Redskins have lost 4 consecutive. How is that setting a record for the Redskins? Do you even bother reading the facts before you post this crap? Your credibility is suspect to say the least.
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Thanks for the link sandtrapp. It says the cowgirls lost 6 consecutive playoff games and the Redskins have lost 4 consecutive. How is that setting a record for the Redskins? Do you even bother reading the facts before you post this crap? Your credibility is suspect to say the least.
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Old 10-17-2008, 07:16 AM   #22
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Thanks for the link sandtrapp. It says the cowgirls lost 6 consecutive playoff games and the Redskins have lost 4 consecutive. How is that setting a record for the Redskins? Do you even bother reading the facts before you post this crap? Your credibility is suspect to say the least.
Once again you guys miss the point.

My post said that the ONLY place you see the Redskins is in the MOST CONSECUTIVE LOST. I must stress the word "ONLY".

Yes Dallas is on there for consecutive losses as well, and I did read that. But that is not the ONLY (there's that word again) category that Dallas appears in on that page. Dallas appears in MOST WON, MOST PLAYOFF GAMES WON, MOST CONSECUTIVE PLAYOFF APPEARANCES etc etc....
(and yes Most Consecutive Lost too)

But my POINT was that the ONLY place on that page you see the name WASHINGTON is under MOST CONSECUTIVE LOSSES.

Comprende amigo?
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Old 10-17-2008, 07:35 AM   #23
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I don't see any other owner with a list of top "gaffes." I also don't see any other teams that have non-fiction novels written about their criminal antics, featuring said owner covering up assault, drug use, etc. Sure, he won 3 Super Bowls. Good for him. He also ran Jimmy Johnson out of town afterwards, only to fumble around with the next several coaches. Switzer, Gailey, and Campo were all terrible, and we all know Wade Phillips is a lame duck puppett. Jones is a win at any cost owner, and that cost includes, but is not limited too, throwing ethics out the window.
Again I say that I have not liked ALL of Jerry Jones decisions. The biggest lame duck decision was the Joey Galloway trade. Took Dallas 6 years to recover from that disaster.

As for the novels it is called "marketability". Publishers won't publish a book that the market indicates will not sell. And the Cowboys are the highes marketed team in pro sports next to the Yankees. So writing the good stuff or the bad stuff is going to sell books. And that is why there are those non-fiction novels.

So as far as marketability is concerned, how many other teams have books written about them? What teams have the most? Give you three guesses and the first 2 do not count.

Win at any cost? Maybe, but as an owner and GM if you are not "in it to win it" then you are in the wrong business and should get out.

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Say all you want about the past. It's a what have you done for me lately league, and ultimately no one cares about good regular season records when you don't back it up in the playoffs. You guys are on the verge of implosion, and Romo is going to get killed if your supposed "best line in the NFL" can't keep him off the turf (knocked down 19x vs. Arizona with a broken bone to show for it).
Agreed that the O-line is not as advertised. Which in turn makes the entire offense not as advertised either.

And of course you do not want to talk about the past when it comes to Dallas. You want to narrow the conversation around YOUR parameters to keep the Cowboys in the most negative light possible. And you know what, that is cool too, I expect nothing less.

But I ask you in all sincerity, If Jerry Jones purchased the Redskins, would you STOP being a Redskins fan? Would your "high morals" prevent you from being the die hard 'Skins fan you are? Would you walk away from your team because of that non-fiction book? Or would you focus on the successes?
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Once again you guys miss the point.

My post said that the ONLY place you see the Redskins is in the MOST CONSECUTIVE LOST. I must stress the word "ONLY".

Yes Dallas is on there for consecutive losses as well, and I did read that. But that is not the ONLY (there's that word again) category that Dallas appears in on that page. Dallas appears in MOST WON, MOST PLAYOFF GAMES WON, MOST CONSECUTIVE PLAYOFF APPEARANCES etc etc....
(and yes Most Consecutive Lost too)

But my POINT was that the ONLY place on that page you see the name WASHINGTON is under MOST CONSECUTIVE LOSSES.

Comprende amigo?
You're really reaching here. Probably because you have no excuse (such as "we were resting our starters") for the Cowboys' latest loss to the Redskins. When are we going to discuss that by the way?
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Once again you guys miss the point.

My post said that the ONLY place you see the Redskins is in the MOST CONSECUTIVE LOST. I must stress the word "ONLY".

Yes Dallas is on there for consecutive losses as well, and I did read that. But that is not the ONLY (there's that word again) category that Dallas appears in on that page. Dallas appears in MOST WON, MOST PLAYOFF GAMES WON, MOST CONSECUTIVE PLAYOFF APPEARANCES etc etc....
(and yes Most Consecutive Lost too)

But my POINT was that the ONLY place on that page you see the name WASHINGTON is under MOST CONSECUTIVE LOSSES.

Comprende amigo?
probably because it was a weak point to begin with
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Old 10-17-2008, 10:22 AM   #26
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Again I say that I have not liked ALL of Jerry Jones decisions. The biggest lame duck decision was the Joey Galloway trade. Took Dallas 6 years to recover from that disaster.

As for the novels it is called "marketability". Publishers won't publish a book that the market indicates will not sell. And the Cowboys are the highes marketed team in pro sports next to the Yankees. So writing the good stuff or the bad stuff is going to sell books. And that is why there are those non-fiction novels.

So as far as marketability is concerned, how many other teams have books written about them? What teams have the most? Give you three guesses and the first 2 do not count.

Win at any cost? Maybe, but as an owner and GM if you are not "in it to win it" then you are in the wrong business and should get out.


Agreed that the O-line is not as advertised. Which in turn makes the entire offense not as advertised either.

And of course you do not want to talk about the past when it comes to Dallas. You want to narrow the conversation around YOUR parameters to keep the Cowboys in the most negative light possible. And you know what, that is cool too, I expect nothing less.

But I ask you in all sincerity, If Jerry Jones purchased the Redskins, would you STOP being a Redskins fan? Would your "high morals" prevent you from being the die hard 'Skins fan you are? Would you walk away from your team because of that non-fiction book? Or would you focus on the successes?
To address your points:

-I never said I didn't want to talk about the past. The Skins and Cowboys each have three Super Bowl wins in the last 25 years. We did it with class and character, not criminals and cover-ups. It's easier to get a pass from Jerry Jones than it is from Tony Romo.

-Sure, the novel is marketable because of the Cowboys brand. But if none of that crap went down, there would be no book in the first place. That was my point.

-Owners and GM's should be "in it to win it" as you say. But plenty of them have experienced huge success without the kind of BS Jerry Jones brings to the table. Take the Steelers for example- a class organization with great ownership, 5 rings, a small # of head coaches, and no scandal.

-If Jerry Jones purchased the Skins I would be sick. But I wouldn't stop being a fan of the players and on-field product. I would, however, be very skeptical of the behind-the-scenes stuff, especially having an owner as a full time GM. Not sure why you put "high morals" in quotes. I didn't say I was a poster boy for morality, I simply said Jerry Jones lacks it.

-You're a Cowboys fan, of course I expect you to focus on the successes. But don't be in denial of the circus.
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I thought this was a good read:

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You know what I find simply hilarious? Is when you review the Super Bowl history and the records that have been set in the Super Bowl era, the ONLY post-season, playoffs and Super Bowl record held by the Redskins is that for Most Consecutive Games Lost.

NFL Playoff Records

And since acquiring the team in 1989 there has only been 2 teams to win 3 Super Bowls from 1989 to present.

That being Dallas and New England.

I am not saying all of Jerry Jones's decisions have been good, but the good ones far outweigh the bad ones.
Like I said before, if you look over a 20 year period the Raiders, Steelers, 49ers and Redskins have also won 3 or more superbowls over a 20 year period. It is not as exclusive as you try to make it sound.

I would also say that the Boys won those superbowls in spite of JJ. As I and others have mentioned a few times, Jimmy is the reason they won those. JJ had very little if anything to do with it. The only thing he did was hire his buddy at the time Jimmy.

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Win at any cost? Maybe, but as an owner and GM if you are not "in it to win it" then you are in the wrong business and should get out.
There is a big difference between trying to win at any cost and winning with pride and respect. JJ will do whatever it takes to try and get another superbowl, even if it means signing players that the other 31 teams won't touch or try to cover up whatever he can get away with. You may envy this and think it is great quality, but don't be surprised that others including Boys fans don't.

I understand that you are a huge Boys fan and guess I shouldn't expect anything less but defending your team. But remember you also defended Pacman and how he was nothing but a saint now and Owens and how he is such a team player now and we have already seen what has started happening there. Not to mention the guaranteed win you promised. Sorry I know that is probably still a sore subject.
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