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Old 10-21-2008, 08:39 AM   #46
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Our passing game won't fire on all cylinders until we have better receivers. The rookie 2nd rounders were supposed to fix this problem but haven't so far. It is still early in their NFL lives, though.
I don't see how receivers are the problem when Moss, ARE, and Cooley are all having very good seasons.
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Old 10-21-2008, 09:47 AM   #47
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Re: The Not So Obvious From the Browns Game

Cooley is a stud hands down.

Moss is not the big receiver that you need to go over the middle and make the clutch 3rd down catch in traffic or to grab the fade in the end zone. He also has trouble getting free when double covered. So do some other receivers, but the great ones find a way to get open, anyway.

Don't get me wrong - I love Randle El - but he really is a third, slot receiver. Not a number 2. Look at it this way: Arizona's 2nd wideout caught 90 balls last year. Randle El caught 50 balls in his best year.

I love Thrash for his character and his special teams play but he just is not that productive as a number 3 receiver.
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Old 10-21-2008, 09:53 AM   #48
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Bottom line production wise: Cooley, Moss, and ARE are all on pace for at least 69 catches each. That's pretty damn good. The passing game will continue to develop as they all gain more experience in the offense. I don't think talent is the problem.
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Old 10-21-2008, 10:11 AM   #49
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I looked it up and Boldin only caught 70 balls last year, not 90. Sorry, I misremembered. He has caught 100 balls before, though.

Randle El is on his way to his best year. Nonetheless, if you look over time, you see that his norm is a 30 catch year.

I completely agree that the passing game will get better as the season goes on.
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I'd love for the rookie receivers to get more involved too, but at this point I'm losing hope for any of them to have a major impact this year.
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Old 10-21-2008, 10:18 AM   #51
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I looked it up and Boldin only caught 70 balls last year, not 90. Sorry, I misremembered. He has caught 100 balls before, though.

Randle El is on his way to his best year. Nonetheless, if you look over time, you see that his norm is a 30 catch year.

I completely agree that the passing game will get better as the season goes on.
Dude AZ is the expectation not the rule to 2nd WR production. Fitz and Boldin would be number one on almost any other team. I would not use them as your bench mark.
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Old 10-21-2008, 12:38 PM   #52
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Re: The Not So Obvious From the Browns Game

I figured I'd get hammered for saying something critical...

mredskins, Arizona was just one clear example of a team with a fine #2 receiver.

hesscl34, I am not obsessed with size. But it is in fact an advantage in the NFL. Look at how many grabs Randy Moss (just one example) makes simply because he is taller than the db covering him.

I'm not saying anything that Zorn and VC didn't say in the run-up to the draft. Why do you think we spent our first 3 picks on pass catchers?

Matty, I think that you are right that the rooks will not produce much this year. I'm hoping that they turn a corner in the second half of the season. Nonetheless I stand by my claim that the passing game would improve with better receivers.

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I know everyone is obsessed with big receivers but Santana Moss and Antwaan Randle-El run the West Coast offense very well. Because they are run well after the catch, they fit into this offense perfectly. The big receiver is needed on the goal line for the fade route. That's the only play where a big receiver is advantageous.
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I know everyone is obsessed with big receivers but Santana Moss and Antwaan Randle-El run the West Coast offense very well. Because they are run well after the catch, they fit into this offense perfectly. The big receiver is needed on the goal line for the fade route. That's the only play where a big receiver is advantageous.
A big possession receiver is great for plays between the hashes, although we do have Cooley to help with that.
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I wouldn't be so quick to praise rock.... the man can run through some holes, but when the hole colapses he's screwed. He had a couple runs where he was tackled for a lose. Thats why he is what he is (a #3 back)
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I could find even cooler highlight reels of Brandon Llody catching the ball, still doesn't mean he is a good reciever. Size is definitly an advantge in the NFL.
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Old 10-21-2008, 02:47 PM   #57
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i hear ya hessy. there are alot of posters around here that have huge man crushes on receivers like Anthony Mix( just because he is tall) don't make a bit of difference to me. if you can play.... and Santana, and Steve Smith are perfect examples of this
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Re: The Not So Obvious From the Browns Game

I like Santana a lot and am happy he is on our team. I do not have "man crushes" on any one, including Mix.

It is simple physics. A 6'4" guy who can run fast and jump high is going to get to more balls than a 5'10" guy who can run fast and jump high.
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Old 10-21-2008, 05:33 PM   #59
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Re: The Not So Obvious From the Browns Game

Nobody remember The Smurfs? What about Gary Clark - 5' 9". The Marks brothers in Miami?

Yes height is an advantage in some respects, but there are plenty of short players who made it big in the NFL especially at WR. Speed, agility and good hands are most important.
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Horton gets better with every game he plays, and so does Evans. I would vote for Fletcher for defensive player of the month.
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