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Old 10-27-2008, 11:52 AM   #31
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Really? How about the guys we have step their game up. Also what happened to Rob jackson and Erasmus James?
Well this has been a problem for the last several years. Our front 4 doesn't get enough sacks. Carter is just not strong and explosive enough to consistently beat starting NFL left tackles. But he's been solid, he just doesn't dominate. Taylor has been hurt, but even if he's 100% healthy I don't think he's going to reach the level he played at in the past. Jasckon, James and all the rest of the DT's just don't seem to be able to cave in the pocket. Jackson was OK in the pre season but now he's got to do it against starters. Bottom line is we just don't have anyone IMO. But we're not giving up a lot of points and that's the bottom line.
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Old 10-27-2008, 01:11 PM   #32
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James would have had a sack yesterday, but flagrantly being held by an OL that resulted in a penalty against the Lions.
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Honestly...
I dont know what the deal is here but we have 4 pass rush specialists on this team for 1 end spot, James, Wilson, that rookie kid Jackson and Jason Taylor.
I can't ever remember a squad with this number of pass rushers.
They figured volume overcame quality I guess.
I am really disappointed that James and Wilson haven't done jack.
It is a shame they couldn't fill in for Jason Taylor so he could sit out and heal.
I guess coaches arent that impressed in practice
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Old 10-27-2008, 01:18 PM   #33
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a big dt would def help..but so would a beast at olb
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Old 10-27-2008, 06:59 PM   #34
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You know, alot of us wanted to address this in the draft. Now I'm not sure who we would have ended up selecting or how they are doing at this point, but I still I wish it could've been addressed. Before the draft we had several discussions about whether a D-lineman or a tall WR was more important for this team going forward. I remember arguing then that our WR's were sound, and that depth could be better addressed in the FA, and I think that has proven true. Im not saying Kelly or Thomas will never amount to anything, I hope they do, but I don't think we ever needed more targets. Our position players are skilled. We need Lineman like crazy on both sides of the ball. Our O-line can runblock but the Passblocking is still a little suspect. And our D-line is a joke when Pass-rushing. I agree that if anything holds us back this year it will be the lack of a passrush. The good news is this team is only a few key players away from being elite IMO.
In retrospect. I guess it looks like we should have went with some D-lineman. Since Thomas, Kelly and Davis are doing ish...BUt that's neither here nor their. So they better step their game up after this bye week. They have no more excuses and we need to put Kelly's ass on IR if he can't play one snap. They seem like 3 waste pics. We could have atleast used two of them on D-Lineman and what a bust Tryon is..
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Old 10-27-2008, 08:34 PM   #35
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In retrospect. I guess it looks like we should have went with some D-lineman. Since Thomas, Kelly and Davis are doing ish...BUt that's neither here nor their. So they better step their game up after this bye week. They have no more excuses and we need to put Kelly's ass on IR if he can't play one snap. They seem like 3 waste pics. We could have atleast used two of them on D-Lineman and what a bust Tryon is..
I wouldn't say that quite yet. I would expect Davis to start getting more time over Yoder at some point. It just seems we need another physical presence out there in the red zone. But Zorn is making him earn it in practice. I also think Thomas can't do shit unless they start throwing him the ball more. If the coaches can't design 4-5 plays a game for this guy then why the hell did we draft him? I like Thrash but c'mon. Thomas runs 4.3 and is 6'2 215lbs. He's gotta start getting the ball more.
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Old 10-27-2008, 09:35 PM   #36
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In retrospect. I guess it looks like we should have went with some D-lineman. Since Thomas, Kelly and Davis are doing ish...BUt that's neither here nor their. So they better step their game up after this bye week. They have no more excuses and we need to put Kelly's ass on IR if he can't play one snap. They seem like 3 waste pics. We could have atleast used two of them on D-Lineman and what a bust Tryon is..
I would think more long term. Wide receivers not named Randy Moss take a couple of seasons to get up to NFL speed and so do corners like Tryon. Defensive linemen are easier to plug right in. So if we draft for the DL in 2009 and have the receivers mature, we could be even more badass next year.
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Old 10-27-2008, 10:22 PM   #37
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I think things are going to be different after the bye week with hopefully a healthy JT and Shawn Springs back in the lineup. I hate the fact that Springs is so fragile, but when he's on the field things are different. With a healthy Springs and Rogers improvement this year, we have two shut down corners, that will allow Greg Blache to send more ppl on the blitz.
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Old 10-27-2008, 10:32 PM   #38
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Some support for my previous argument. Here are rookie year catch totals for some notable non-busts:

Santana Moss 2
Donald Driver 3
Steve Smith 10
Hines Ward 15
Brandon Marshall 20
Plaxico Burress 22
Isaac Bruce 21
Chad Johnson 28
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Old 10-27-2008, 10:52 PM   #39
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In retrospect. I guess it looks like we should have went with some D-lineman. Since Thomas, Kelly and Davis are doing ish...BUt that's neither here nor their. So they better step their game up after this bye week. They have no more excuses and we need to put Kelly's ass on IR if he can't play one snap. They seem like 3 waste pics. We could have atleast used two of them on D-Lineman and what a bust Tryon is..
Who's to say the rookie D-lineman wouldn't be sitting on the bench for us as well? Guys like Merling and Campbell aren't exactly lighting it up this year
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Who's to say the rookie D-lineman wouldn't be sitting on the bench for us as well? Guys like Merling and Campbell aren't exactly lighting it up this year
You are correct. Merling and Campbell are not lighting it up. Mario Williams did not light it up his first year, either. All I was saying was that, in general, defensive lineman require less seasoning than wide receivers do.
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Old 10-28-2008, 10:21 AM   #41
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Some support for my previous argument. Here are rookie year catch totals for some notable non-busts:

Santana Moss 2
Donald Driver 3
Steve Smith 10
Hines Ward 15
Brandon Marshall 20
Plaxico Burress 22
Isaac Bruce 21
Chad Johnson 28
Two names just of the top of my head and not trying. Desean Jackson and Avery of the Rams..and not saying we should have picked a receiver. But just not 3 (icluding TE Davis - espcially since we had Yoder). We could have picked up Devin and used the other pick on a DE.
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Old 10-28-2008, 10:33 AM   #42
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It's way too early to be calling anyone busts. We returned what, 20 of 22 starters? This wasn't a team that was going to depend heavily on our rookies right away anyway.
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In retrospect. I guess it looks like we should have went with some D-lineman. Since Thomas, Kelly and Davis are doing ish...BUt that's neither here nor their. So they better step their game up after this bye week. They have no more excuses and we need to put Kelly's ass on IR if he can't play one snap. They seem like 3 waste pics. We could have atleast used two of them on D-Lineman and what a bust Tryon is..
I agree that we should have used at least one pick on either the Dline or Oline instead of 3 receivers, but that is history now. Hopefully this draft there aren't any sexy receivers when it is our pick or they might not be able to help themselves again.
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Old 10-28-2008, 11:51 AM   #44
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Our defense is playing great right now, better than it has in past years. A lot of credit should go to Blatche. Somebody showed Carlos Rogers how to play cornerback, then Fred Smoot didn't want to be outdone so he started playing better than ever. The defensive line with all those knockdowns and good run defense makes the Redskins an awesome opponent for any team. And Jim Zorn has been a successful NFL coach even if we don't win another game this year. The Redskins have made me expect W's instead of shaking my head as in past years wondering how we were going to give games away.
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Our defense is playing great right now, better than it has in past years. A lot of credit should go to Blatche. Somebody showed Carlos Rogers how to play cornerback, then Fred Smoot didn't want to be outdone so he started playing better than ever. The defensive line with all those knockdowns and good run defense makes the Redskins an awesome opponent for any team. And Jim Zorn has been a successful NFL coach even if we don't win another game this year. The Redskins have made me expect W's instead of shaking my head as in past years wondering how we were going to give games away.
I have to admit I'm still wonder how we are going to lose a game, even today. Something always seems to happen that turns the momentum to the other team. The difference here seems that the team is gaining some confidence that they can overcome a screwup that the last few years would have cost the game. That Kendall fumble rings very loud in my ears. NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED. It's possible that fumble costs us the Div Championship. Things are changing for the better as you have noted. Keep the good Karma. I'm working on mine.
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