A Very Troubling Statistic

GMScud · 11-04-2008, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 53Fan

I understand it's WC but even WC goes long once in awhile. This isn't exactly the strict definition of WC we've been playing anyway. Moss had a couple of fairly long balls in the second half of the Detroit game. That certainly helped us win the game. I understand he's hurt. But what exactly do we have DT out there for anyway? I'm not sure we have anything to lose by going deep to him once in awhile compared to what we may gain.

From what I'm reading, he's still running the wrong routes. At this point in the season that's really disappointing.

Mattyk · 11-04-2008, 08:46 PM

Thomas cut off his route which led to the 2nd pick last night. I know we want to see him do well but when you can't do the basics on the field you're just not going to get many looks.

GMScud · 11-04-2008, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Thomas cut off his route which led to the 2nd pick last night. I know we want to see him do well but when you can't do the basics on the field you're just not going to get many looks.

Oh man, I didn't hear that specifically. That's really bad. Come on Devin. All that physical talent and he can't learn the playbook? Grrrrrr.

mike340 · 11-04-2008, 08:52 PM

I'm not too worried.

First, a lot of the important players were out or questionable. I would have to think the latter would have a tough time being 100%. (Among them, Samuels, Moss, Landry, Rogers). That may be why Rogers gave one of his old-style cushions on the TD.

Another, we were really in the game until another QB came in who we weren't prepared for. Sometimes that works to one team's benefit, sometimes to the other's. Ben's QB rating for the first half was around 15.

Lastly, some people here say we aren't dominating games. I heartily disagree. The reason that the games have been close is that the other teams have been scoring TDs to get close near the end of the game and hoping for a miracle. I'd say that's pretty solid.

At the same time, I feel as though the playcalling has been more to avoid losing games than to win them. (As opposed to when we were playing better earlier in the season.) I want them to open it up; not so much long passes as making sure they get all their weapons involved in each game. This will give them one-on-ones with their good players for long gains. I've also been seeing too many running plays on first down.

Lastly, the receivers seem to have reverted to ignoring the first-down marker when running their routes. This is huge. If you (frequently) need 2 completions (or successful plays) to get the first down instead of one, it greatly reduces your chance of getting first downs and getting extended drives. Against the Eagles and the Cowboys it seemed they were doing a good job of running their routes to get the first downs.

53Fan · 11-04-2008, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Thomas cut off his route which led to the 2nd pick last night. I know we want to see him do well but when you can't do the basics on the field you're just not going to get many looks.

I did hear Charley Casserly say today, "The Redskin coaches are'nt stupid, if Devin Thomas could help they would go to him." It is EXTREMELY disappointing to hear he can't even get the basics right. It's just frustrating.

53Fan · 11-04-2008, 09:02 PM

I probably need the bye week as much as they do.

CRedskinsRule · 11-04-2008, 09:17 PM

This link has an interesting stat chart.
ESPN - A different way to look at the red zone - NFL Nation

htownskinfan · 11-05-2008, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by downtown4life

I know everyone is freaking out about how bad the skins played, we have to remember they are 6-3. When "experts" say the outcome of the game is decided by a handful of plays- in this case its true. If you look at the 40 yard (questionable) pass interference call and the blocked punt, here are two plays that cost them 14 points. You take that from the final score and you cant say the steelers played that much better than the skins. The defense did their job.

I agree with everything except the questionable pass int call,it was def pass int

htownskinfan · 11-05-2008, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsnut

Why is everyone harping on Campbell?
Coverage was great downfield, Moss was hampered by his injury, the oline pass blocking was poor.

Campbell is AWESOME when we win, and its ALL HIS FAULT when we lose.
Face it, we were dominated.

I lay this TREND at the hands of the offensive coordinator, ZORN.
I am not suprized, he said it himself.
Defenses will catch up to what his is doing, this happened about 4 games ago, when we started struggling with teams like the rams, lions, browns....c'mon man...
Our defense is solid, the issue is the offense.

Bottom line is, Zorn did not adjust, pregame or halftime, to account for the Pitt defense PLUS he abandoned the run.

I mentioned it in the predictions thread.
The only way to win this was with Shotgun, draws, reverses, screens, misdirection, runs up the gut....that is how you slow down a fiery defense.
My only question was how Moss and Samuels would hold up.
Unfortunately, Zorn did almost none of this....I only remember one or two screens and a couple draws. This is why I gave Zorn a 3.5 of 5....he is not tested yet, he has not stayed ahead of the curve, Defensive coordinators have figured out how to play this offense.....we are still 2nd in the league in rushing yet only 25 in Points.

I say it is time to add some new plays and players to the mix....we haven't seen any production from our top 3 picks....time to MAN UP. and C'mon Zorn, call a play thats not on film yet.

And I also throw Special Teams in here, they have generally stunk...except kicker.
Did you see that Pittsburg Gunner on the punts? He was beating 2 blockers every time causing randle el to fair catch everything....and if there was no punt blocked, we'd easily be in the game...this is easily Danny Smiths crappiest coaching year here, he aint helping...thank goodness we recovered that onside kick, I am suprised that we did based on who was on the field to attempt the recovery...lucky.

great post except I disagree on the last part,from what I recall there were at least 2 times,maybe 3 where ARE called for the fair catch and nobody was within 10 yrds of him

53Fan · 11-05-2008, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Thomas cut off his route which led to the 2nd pick last night. I know we want to see him do well but when you can't do the basics on the field you're just not going to get many looks.

I just read an article by Gary Fitzgerald that says the second interception was on a pass intended for Thrash not Thomas and there was a miscommunication.Washington Redskins It's under "A Tough Night For Campbell"

SouperMeister · 11-05-2008, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

Oh man, I didn't hear that specifically. That's really bad. Come on Devin. All that physical talent and he can't learn the playbook? Grrrrrr.

Sounds like Rod Gardner 2.0. Let's hope he turns it around.

SouperMeister · 11-05-2008, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

This link has an interesting stat chart.
ESPN - A different way to look at the red zone - NFL Nation

That is a great statistic. It really demonstrates that the Giants are the most complete team in the league, having more than twice the offensive red zone posessions as their opponents.

redskinjim · 11-05-2008, 10:58 AM

we had one big blowout 2 years ago against the giants where they beat the crap out of us. We made the playoffs beat tampa then lost to seattle.we have to beat the giants on the road in the playoffs to get to the superbowl.Is this team good enough?Not right now. but if we can start rolling come playoff time we have a chance

redskinjim · 11-05-2008, 11:00 AM

we need a good enough record so we dont HAVE to play the first playoff game on the road CAROLINA

skinsfan69 · 11-05-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

People longing for the deep ball have obviously missed the hiring of Jim Zorn, a west coast disciple. Moss with a bad hammy didn't help matters last night either, along with the constant pressure.

I'm not buying the WCO stuff. That's just an excuse. Philly has worse WR's than we do yet they always push the ball downfield. Hell, just do it just for the sake of a PI call. Pittsburgh was missing two starters on their line, their QB was getting pushed around, yet they did it and got a PI call which changed field position, plus got a long completion on Smoot. Devin Thomas runs 4.3 and is 6'2. I think he can handle running a go route. Sorry but not throwing downfield at all is just poor coaching.

11-04-2008, 08:46 PM	#32
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,722	Re: A Very Troubling Statistic Thomas cut off his route which led to the 2nd pick last night. I know we want to see him do well but when you can't do the basics on the field you're just not going to get many looks. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

11-04-2008, 08:52 PM	#34
mike340 Special Teams Join Date: Jun 2006 Age: 56 Posts: 267	Re: A Very Troubling Statistic I'm not too worried. First, a lot of the important players were out or questionable. I would have to think the latter would have a tough time being 100%. (Among them, Samuels, Moss, Landry, Rogers). That may be why Rogers gave one of his old-style cushions on the TD. Another, we were really in the game until another QB came in who we weren't prepared for. Sometimes that works to one team's benefit, sometimes to the other's. Ben's QB rating for the first half was around 15. Lastly, some people here say we aren't dominating games. I heartily disagree. The reason that the games have been close is that the other teams have been scoring TDs to get close near the end of the game and hoping for a miracle. I'd say that's pretty solid. At the same time, I feel as though the playcalling has been more to avoid losing games than to win them. (As opposed to when we were playing better earlier in the season.) I want them to open it up; not so much long passes as making sure they get all their weapons involved in each game. This will give them one-on-ones with their good players for long gains. I've also been seeing too many running plays on first down. Lastly, the receivers seem to have reverted to ignoring the first-down marker when running their routes. This is huge. If you (frequently) need 2 completions (or successful plays) to get the first down instead of one, it greatly reduces your chance of getting first downs and getting extended drives. Against the Eagles and the Cowboys it seemed they were doing a good job of running their routes to get the first downs.

11-04-2008, 09:02 PM	#36
53Fan Pro Bowl Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kill Devil Hills, N.C. Posts: 7,354	Re: A Very Troubling Statistic I probably need the bye week as much as they do. __________________ "Cautiously And Optimistically... Looking Forward To Change"

11-04-2008, 09:17 PM	#37
CRedskinsRule MVP Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pasadena, Md Age: 45 Posts: 10,920	Re: A Very Troubling Statistic This link has an interesting stat chart. ESPN - A different way to look at the red zone - NFL Nation

11-05-2008, 10:58 AM	#43
redskinjim Special Teams Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: fresno ca Posts: 371	Re: A Very Troubling Statistic we had one big blowout 2 years ago against the giants where they beat the crap out of us. We made the playoffs beat tampa then lost to seattle.we have to beat the giants on the road in the playoffs to get to the superbowl.Is this team good enough?Not right now. but if we can start rolling come playoff time we have a chance

11-05-2008, 11:00 AM	#44
redskinjim Special Teams Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: fresno ca Posts: 371	Re: A Very Troubling Statistic we need a good enough record so we dont HAVE to play the first playoff game on the road CAROLINA

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