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Old 11-05-2008, 10:41 AM   #46
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Oh man, I didn't hear that specifically. That's really bad. Come on Devin. All that physical talent and he can't learn the playbook? Grrrrrr.
Sounds like Rod Gardner 2.0. Let's hope he turns it around.
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Old 11-05-2008, 10:47 AM   #47
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This link has an interesting stat chart.
ESPN - A different way to look at the red zone - NFL Nation
That is a great statistic. It really demonstrates that the Giants are the most complete team in the league, having more than twice the offensive red zone posessions as their opponents.
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Old 11-05-2008, 11:58 AM   #48
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we had one big blowout 2 years ago against the giants where they beat the crap out of us. We made the playoffs beat tampa then lost to seattle.we have to beat the giants on the road in the playoffs to get to the superbowl.Is this team good enough?Not right now. but if we can start rolling come playoff time we have a chance
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Old 11-05-2008, 12:00 PM   #49
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we need a good enough record so we dont HAVE to play the first playoff game on the road CAROLINA
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Old 11-05-2008, 12:14 PM   #50
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People longing for the deep ball have obviously missed the hiring of Jim Zorn, a west coast disciple. Moss with a bad hammy didn't help matters last night either, along with the constant pressure.
I'm not buying the WCO stuff. That's just an excuse. Philly has worse WR's than we do yet they always push the ball downfield. Hell, just do it just for the sake of a PI call. Pittsburgh was missing two starters on their line, their QB was getting pushed around, yet they did it and got a PI call which changed field position, plus got a long completion on Smoot. Devin Thomas runs 4.3 and is 6'2. I think he can handle running a go route. Sorry but not throwing downfield at all is just poor coaching.
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Old 11-05-2008, 12:18 PM   #51
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Straight from this morning's Washington Times:

In the last five games, the Redskins have only one first-half touchdown - a 3-yard drive - in 32 possessions.

That is astounding. The defense is effectively keeping us in every game while the offense hasn't held up its end, even against below average teams (Rams, Browns, Lions). We've gotten virtually nothing from our three receivers drafted in the 2nd round, and now Moss is gimpy once again. What changes (strategic, personnel, etc.) would you like to see from Zorn after the bye to address the lack of 1st half scoring?

I will volunteer two personnel moves - I don't see what Yoder gives the offense that Fred Davis wouldn't give and then some. I also would like to see Heyer starting at RT to help stabilize the pass protection.
A freakin' men. Yoder is useless. Davis gives us more playmaking ability. Shawn Springs was on the radio talking about how Davis tears it up in practice. What are the coaches waiting for?? Get him on the field now!
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Old 11-05-2008, 12:25 PM   #52
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devin thomas will contribute at some point.The problem is he is contributing to the opposing defence. all the talent in the world wont help if you cant read and understand the playbook!!
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Old 11-05-2008, 12:31 PM   #53
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that was pretty sorry to see all those steeler fans in our stadium.Have to give them props for showing up though.remember the superbowl the seahawks were alone in a sea of terrible towels.HOW did they get all those tickets to our game????bunch of sellouts
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I dont know that we need to overhall the offense. we are 10th in the NFL, yardage wise. We seem to stall once we get in the redzone. Fred Davis, Cooley have not been utilized in the redzone as much as i think they should. some roll outs may help. But we also have committed some penalties in that area that need to be addressed. I hope M. Kelly is active the second half of the season. With his size and ability to go up and get the ball will be VERY helpful. I would like to see Sellers used a little more as well. I think this is just a growing thing that will get better with time.
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Old 11-05-2008, 01:25 PM   #55
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about taking shots with the long ball - zorn has been asked about that a few times after the games leading up to the steelers game and he said they did call plays to take shots down field then he goes on specifically identify plays they did call it and gave a reason for why it didnt get thrown (pass protection) or wasnt completed (out of bounds).

also zorn said he probaly gave up on the run to early in the steelers game, i believe the run sets up the big pass plays and with no real run threat what you can do is limited.

like most of you all, i like being 6-3 but as we have proven before a 4-6 or 4-5 team can have a great late season push for the playoffs so we must think that us, eagles and cowboys are all 0-0 with a 7 game season ahead of us.

i look forward to some hard fought meaningfull football in the second half.

go skins!!!!
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Old 11-05-2008, 04:44 PM   #56
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I'm not buying the WCO stuff. That's just an excuse. Philly has worse WR's than we do yet they always push the ball downfield. Hell, just do it just for the sake of a PI call. Pittsburgh was missing two starters on their line, their QB was getting pushed around, yet they did it and got a PI call which changed field position, plus got a long completion on Smoot. Devin Thomas runs 4.3 and is 6'2. I think he can handle running a go route. Sorry but not throwing downfield at all is just poor coaching.
I agree that successful offenses will take their shots down the field, but you have to do the basics well first. Complete some passes, move the chains, and then when the defense starts to back off the attack, go for the jugular.

We failed in the basic phases of the game well before the lack of a deep passing game became a problem.
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I agree that successful offenses will take their shots down the field, but you have to do the basics well first. Complete some passes, move the chains, and then when the defense starts to back off the attack, go for the jugular.

We failed in the basic phases of the game well before the lack of a deep passing game became a problem.
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I agree that successful offenses will take their shots down the field, but you have to do the basics well first. Complete some passes, move the chains, and then when the defense starts to back off the attack, go for the jugular.

We failed in the basic phases of the game well before the lack of a deep passing game became a problem.
All that sounds pretty good on paper but besides blocking the punt, the best thing the Steelers did in the first half was throw a long pass and get an interference call on Rogers. Leftwich came out throwing in the second half and THEN they more or less started rolling. Pittsburgh had not really established anything UNTIL they started throwing the ball. There is also the possibility of the pass setting up the run. Maybe it's not conventional, but sometimes it works.
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I know everyone is freaking out about how bad the skins played, we have to remember they are 6-3. When "experts" say the outcome of the game is decided by a handful of plays- in this case its true. If you look at the 40 yard (questionable) pass interference call and the blocked punt, here are two plays that cost them 14 points. You take that from the final score and you cant say the steelers played that much better than the skins. The defense did their job.
Lets not forget that first interception. That was bullshit, he was cleary not in control of the ball...damn reffes
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All that sounds pretty good on paper but besides blocking the punt, the best thing the Steelers did in the first half was throw a long pass and get an interference call on Rogers. Leftwich came out throwing in the second half and THEN they more or less started rolling. Pittsburgh had not really established anything UNTIL they started throwing the ball. There is also the possibility of the pass setting up the run. Maybe it's not conventional, but sometimes it works.
Well, with us sending six guys per play, it's not really like Pittsburgh had a choice. They saw straight man coverage so many times that they could attack us however they wanted. Blache called one of the worst games i've ever seen a d-coordinator call.

Remember that even in our injured state, our defense is significantly more talented than their offense.
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