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Redskins Offense: What's the Problem?

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View Poll Results: What's wrong with the offense?
Offensive Line 129 56.09%
Playcalling 18 7.83%
Receivers 8 3.48%
Quarterback 16 6.96%
Injuries 3 1.30%
Combination or other 56 24.35%
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Old 11-17-2008, 11:41 AM   #46
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I guess this is why I'm so freakin sick of this offense. JC needs to be in shotgun a little more ( maybe on 1st down) and let's start trying to get the ball down field a little more. We've got a deep ball thrower yet all we do is throw 5 yard passes.
The big problem is our oline rarely gives him enough time for the play to develop. And the few times he does have a chance, the reciever isn't wide open so Campbell checks down to the short pass. Campbell needs to let it rip once in awhile and trust his receiver to make a play. Look at the pass Romo made to Bennet, he wasn't open but he made a great catch. A rookie on the field making a big time play. Imagine that. lol
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Old 11-17-2008, 11:51 AM   #47
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Re: Redskins Offense: What's the Problem?

agreed, it is clearly the o line breaking down that is effecting most everything else on the ofensive side of the ball
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Old 11-17-2008, 11:54 AM   #48
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The offense has played 10 games with this new system. A lot of the problems will be solved as they grow comfortable with and learn the details of the system, and pass protection figures into that.
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Old 11-17-2008, 11:58 AM   #49
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Not using this as an excuse, but how did the line judge miss not one, but two Dallas neutral zone violations? On the 2nd missed call (3rd and 8 at the end of the 3rd quarter), Ware clearly jumped early and was in the neutral zone with the ball was snapped. Jason flipped a pass to Cooley for a minimal gain that set up the punt leading to the game winning Dallas drive. At minimum, the Skins should have had a 3rd and 3 opportunity to maintain possession. Again, not the reason we lost, but is there an easier call in the NFL than the line judge monitoring the neutral zone? I'm stunned that the LJ missed two such calls.
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Old 11-17-2008, 12:04 PM   #50
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Not using this as an excuse, but how did the line judge miss not one, but two Dallas neutral zone violations? On the 2nd missed call (3rd and 8 at the end of the 3rd quarter), Ware clearly jumped early and was in the neutral zone with the ball was snapped. Jason flipped a pass to Cooley for a minimal gain that set up the punt leading to the game winning Dallas drive. At minimum, the Skins should have had a 3rd and 3 opportunity to maintain possession. Again, not the reason we lost, but is there an easier call in the NFL than the line judge monitoring the neutral zone? I'm stunned that the LJ missed two such calls.

I saw that too. There were also quite a few times when the cowgirls were holding and it wasn’t called either. All and all just a bad night for the burgundy and gold
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Old 11-17-2008, 12:14 PM   #51
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i think the problems are a combination of everything, when you have problems are every level of your offense they compound each other.

seems every week coach zorn is pointing out plays where we had a long ball called then explaining for one reason or another why it never materialized. just speculation on my part but aside from pass pro problems and a lack of depth at wr, i think JC only throws the long ball if he has single coverage and he actually sees his man open. JC might be too gun shy given gibbs pounded it into his head to protect the ball and throw sideline.

the play he lofted it up to moss who almost made a play on the ball was JC throwing it up there b/c he had to given the situation.

Maybe JC is being too selective when he wants to throw the long ball, only wanting to let it go when a guy is wide open?
i dont know, but we have problems now that he run game has slowed down.

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With JC always being told to check down, I wonder if he's doing it too much. I don't buy this, never having time to go long stuff. The line is not blocking well, I DEFINITELY agree with that, but it's a lot harder to block when you wait to throw long until later in the game because you have to because you're behind and nothing else is working. If you start throwing long occasionally early in the game, the "D" does'nt start stacking the line right away which opens up the run and shorter passes. If people on this board are saying we don't throw long because we don't have time, I would imagine DC's are saying the same thing. Makes it pretty easy to gameplan us. Whether it's completed or not you have to take a shot and you have to do it earlier than we've been doing it. Our offense is pretty easy to read right now. The Redskins don't go long. It's kinda like the lottery, you can't win if you don't play. Well you can't complete a long pass if you don't THROW a long pass. Give your quarterback and receivers a chance to make a play. We're taking that away ourselves by not attempting it. And I don't mean calling it then checking down. Throw the damn ball. That's what sends the message.
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Old 11-17-2008, 12:16 PM   #52
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I guess this is why I'm so freakin sick of this offense. JC needs to be in shotgun a little more ( maybe on 1st down) and let's start trying to get the ball down field a little more. We've got a deep ball thrower yet all we do is throw 5 yard passes.
Easier said than done. It's not just a matter of choosing to throw the ball downfield. Of course Zorn wants to throw the ball downfield if he can.

But if the line is pass protecting like shit then even if a receiver is getting deep, Campbell is going to check down to a hot or he's just going to throw it away.

And even when the line holds up, a WR has to get separation or Campbell will check it down.

You have to solidify the fundamentals before you can criticize Zorn's play calling. If the line is a seive, you can't blame him for calling 3 and 5 step drops. It all starts up front, and they didn't do their job last night. Ratliff owned Rabach and Randy Thomas. Ware did a good job on Samuels, and Jansen was continually pushed straight back into Campbell.
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Old 11-17-2008, 12:35 PM   #53
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Easier said than done. It's not just a matter of choosing to throw the ball downfield. Of course Zorn wants to throw the ball downfield if he can.

But if the line is pass protecting like shit then even if a receiver is getting deep, Campbell is going to check down to a hot or he's just going to throw it away.

And even when the line holds up, a WR has to get separation or Campbell will check it down.

You have to solidify the fundamentals before you can criticize Zorn's play calling. If the line is a seive, you can't blame him for calling 3 and 5 step drops. It all starts up front, and they didn't do their job last night. Ratliff owned Rabach and Randy Thomas. Ware did a good job on Samuels, and Jansen was continually pushed straight back into Campbell.
That's why we need to do it on 1st down. I remember once JC found ARE over the middle for 20 on first down. Also sometimes you just need to throw and try and make a play. I think the play that pissed me off the most was when Dallas' 2nd string TE made a play even though Horton had him covered. Sometimes you just have to throw it down there and either let your guy make a play or get a PI. Also maybe Zorn needs to adjust. Max protect of start rolling JC out some more. Yes the protection was bad but I didn't see us adjusting to what Dallas was doing.
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When's the last time he's hit a deep ball? If Moss isnt open than there is no deep ball. You are correct about his short and intermediate balls, they are ok at best.
JC avoided pressure and hit Moss square in the hands on a beautifully thrown deep ball last night, and Moss just flat dropped it. That's not on Jason.
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Old 11-17-2008, 01:05 PM   #55
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Our offense, without Portis at 100 percent, and without a No. 2 receiver, is impotent. Opposing teams now know what to do: Pressure Campbell, period. JC is a good QB, but is not yet at the point where he can beat hard-hitting defenses without a solid running game.
I love how people seem to think that Campbell is the only quarterback that has trouble playing against a good pass rush. Ask Tom Brady how easy it is to execute on offense, with constant pressure in his face.
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Old 11-17-2008, 01:12 PM   #56
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I love how people seem to think that Campbell is the only quarterback that has trouble playing against a good pass rush. Ask Tom Brady how easy it is to execute on offense, with constant pressure in his face.
I get what your saying but TB makes plays in that situation more often than not, that's why he's a HOF QB. Making plays. Sometimes your QB has to make plays. JC's made some and sometimes not. It seems like more often he doesn't lately.
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Old 11-17-2008, 01:37 PM   #57
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JC avoided pressure and hit Moss square in the hands on a beautifully thrown deep ball last night, and Moss just flat dropped it. That's not on Jason.
I was wondering when was the last time they completed one, not the last time they came close to completing one. I suspect its been awhile.
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Old 11-17-2008, 02:28 PM   #58
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I've been thinking about this for a while, and I know im going to get killed for saying it but...... Maybe Joe Bugel needs to go, not now today, but after this season. for 4-5 years it has been said that the strength of this team is the O-line, but pass protection has been an issue since hes been here.

Look how Russ Grim built the O-line in Arizona and Pittsburg for that matter. Kurt Warner has all day to throw the ball, JC has 2 maybe 3 seconds, thats just crap. Maybe its technique, I just cant believe that this issue cant or hasnt been resolved. The SKins have paid a hefty price for this line and at this point its one of the worst in pass blocking.
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Old 11-17-2008, 02:36 PM   #59
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Also if the strength of the O-line is run blocking... why the hell are we rushing 18 times and throwing 34 times? The skins had the lead and should have run it down their throats, like the Cowboys did when they got the lead.
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Old 11-17-2008, 02:37 PM   #60
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between the 20's we are able to move the ball, but we can not get scores (capt. obvious!) I am not sure if its lack of size at the receiver position, but there has to be some plays for Devin Thomas, cooley, Fred Davis, someone has to be more of a threat in the redzone. This is getting awful. We have not played well the month and the offense is really looking horrible. Portis has been a monster, but there has to be another threat on the field. Its been a problem all year. We dont score TD's in the redzone.
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