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Old 11-17-2008, 01:31 AM   #16
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Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?

I also think there was no plan to get him into the gameplan at all this game because our strategy was to spread Dallas out presnap and exploit matchups. So no reason for a second TE. Or Sellers, after the first drive, apparently.
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Old 11-17-2008, 03:12 AM   #17
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Watching Davis play in college, it is pretty obvious that he can run and he can catch the football. That is what got him drafted.

As to why he isn't on the field over Yoder - who is a decent TE but nothing more - it really has to be one of two reasons. And you will never get an NFL coach to tell you which one:

1. He isn't smart enough to understand his responsibilities on a wide enough spectrum of plays that they don't dare put him out there for much of anything lest he make a big mistake.


2. He can't block at all and putting him there could place Jason Campbell and/or any of the running backs in serious danger.


It pretty much has to be something along the lines of one of those two things...
I bet it's more in line with #1, combined with Zorn's penchant for very precise play. Zorn has been slow to let the rooks on the field at WR too. What's odd is Zorn had him in more earlier, it seems to me. Maybe he's regressed some in practice.

If he can't block (or at least block better than Yoder), we've got a problem. Let's hope he can be coached up.
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Old 11-17-2008, 07:19 AM   #18
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Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?

I'm sorry if stated earlier but here's my take....we were not pass blocking. It doesn't matter who you put in with no pass blocking. Also they (Dallas)were not getting the ball to anyone so I see them using him as a despiration move.
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Old 11-17-2008, 08:13 AM   #19
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^ I was actually going to make a smart comment like....." we drafted him for our two TE sets" that we never see. lol. but decided against it.
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Old 11-17-2008, 09:21 AM   #20
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So let's see if I have this right - Dallas trusts their backup TE drafted in the 2nd round to make a game winning catch in the 4th quarter of a key division game, but our TE drafted in the 2nd round can't get on the field for the Skins, who have scored a grand total of 16 points and one TD at home the past two weeks? We hear what a stud Davis looks like in practice, but Zorn can't find a place for him to impact the game on Sunday? I was vehemently against the Davis pick when there were more pressing depth issues on the O and D lines. But now that we have him, at least let the guy make an impact on Sunday. This is a completely wasted pick for this season if Zorn continues to leave Davis rotting on the pine. For that matter, is Devin Thomas only capable of running 5 yard curls? Until this offense gets something in the passing game from somebody not named Cooley or Moss, it is a very predictable passing attack to gameplan against.

Why did we draft davis? straight from vinny's mouth he said they had davis graded out as a first round talent and he was available in the second round . . . just like when he had taylor jacobs graded out as a first round talent and got him early in the second round.

also vinny said you can find good talent on O and D line in the later part of the draft, he then rattled off names like rob jackson, golston others.

lol and dont give vinny credit for horton, as vinny said they picked him in the compensation round after the 7th round so he had no idea either because if he did he said he would have drafted him in the 2nd round.

i have zero faith in vinny. JC and cooley were joe gibbs picks, dont know about landry ST or rogers.

go skins!!!

edit: i would have liked to spread the 2nd round picks to other areas of the team, but i have no problem with the guys we got. they could have contributed more so far but their time to contribute is coming in a few years when moss slows and ARE is gone.
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Old 11-17-2008, 10:03 AM   #21
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So let's see if I have this right - Dallas trusts their backup TE drafted in the 2nd round to make a game winning catch in the 4th quarter of a key division game, but our TE drafted in the 2nd round can't get on the field for the Skins, who have scored a grand total of 16 points and one TD at home the past two weeks? We hear what a stud Davis looks like in practice, but Zorn can't find a place for him to impact the game on Sunday? I was vehemently against the Davis pick when there were more pressing depth issues on the O and D lines. But now that we have him, at least let the guy make an impact on Sunday. This is a completely wasted pick for this season if Zorn continues to leave Davis rotting on the pine. For that matter, is Devin Thomas only capable of running 5 yard curls? Until this offense gets something in the passing game from somebody not named Cooley or Moss, it is a very predictable passing attack to gameplan against.
I could not agree with you more, get this guy on the field....NOW!
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Old 11-17-2008, 10:06 AM   #22
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Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?

I think the real question is, Do you draft for the best overall player? Or, Do you draft for need?

I guess we drafted for best overall player. The problem w/ that is bringing 2 WRT rooks up to speed at the same time. It's hurting our team right now.

I'm not necessarily down on Thomas, Kelly, Davis. I think we could have something there w/ their size and talent.

Maybe we should have added some oline depth in their somewhere or maybe some d line depth in there. We need to spend about 3 - 4 picks just on lineman.
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Old 11-17-2008, 12:00 PM   #23
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Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?

Some of you expecting EVERY draft pick to immediately get significant playing time and make big contributions can never be satisfied. Davis is a great depth player, a big blocker when we need him and if Cooley misses time, he could fill in as a receiving TE reasonably well. He's not a first-rounder, drafted to start and fill a need. I have no complaints about him and believe he'll be useful if not valuable in the future.
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I did see Fred on the field several times last night too.
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2009 #1 pick should be OLine.
Yes but we have NO pass rush as well! We need a lot wilth little picks coming in 09!
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Old 11-17-2008, 01:28 PM   #26
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Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?

I just heard Zorn's Monday afternoon presser, and he says that it comes down to a trust issue as to whether Davis will run the correct assignment/route. Apparently, he's showing great ability, but still isn't there on the mental side. Let's hope that the rookie receivers get it together soon, because this offense really needs a shot in the arm.
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I just heard Zorn's Monday afternoon presser, and he says that it comes down to a trust issue as to whether Davis will run the correct assignment/route. Apparently, he's showing great ability, but still isn't there on the mental side. Let's hope that the rookie receivers get it together soon, because this offense really needs a shot in the arm.
That's the same issue that Devin Thomas is having. Are these guys really such mental midgets that after training camp, 5 preseason games, and 10 regular season games, they can't learn assignments? That's troubling. I appreciate Zorn's explanation, but it's far from an excuse.
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Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?

I guess Desean Jackson and Eddie Royal never make mental mistakes?
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Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?

Other than Chris Horton, this draft class is not making an impact this year. None of the 2nd round picks have made an impact. The punter that was drafted was a bust. Tryon and Moore have helped on special teams but nothing more.
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Other than Chris Horton, this draft class is not making an impact this year. None of the 2nd round picks have made an impact. The punter that was drafted was a bust. Tryon and Moore have helped on special teams but nothing more.
Well, you never EXPECT rookies to contribute. You need them to learn the ways of the game during their rookie season, and contribute later. Rookies that can contribute are incredibly valuable, and Horton looks like a complete steal.

Thomas' on the field woes are huge causes for concern. Davis and Kelly should pass him by next year. If they don't we have a problem.
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