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Old 11-29-2008, 01:44 AM   #61
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Like you said before Goat, if Carter is hurt, why not have Evans play his regular spot and put JT in Carters spot?
I read the Times article about our secondary being the best group on d:

Middle linebacker London Fletcher and defensive end-turned-linebacker Jason Taylor stood over the line of scrimmage before dropping back into coverage.

Playing nose tackle in a three-man front, Cornelius Griffin backpedaled at the snap.

Cornerbacks Shawn Springs and Fred Smoot blitzed from both slot positions.

Under duress, Hasselbeck threw so inaccurately that Seattle was penalized for intentional grounding. The Seahawks settled for a field goal in what ended as a 20-17 Redskins victory.

The play was emblematic of the options now at defensive coordinator Greg Blache's disposal - four healthy cornerbacks who can do almost anything.


a three-man front against NY seems nuts because we just don't have d-line monsters like teams that run the 3-4 or some version of it.
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Old 11-29-2008, 11:15 AM   #62
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^^^ i really liked how blache came out using different looks this game and it really showed early in the game with hasselback having to take TOs b/c he didnt recognize what we were doing. the post game interviews confirmed it.

at week 11 its about time we switch up what were doing sometimes and for the first game in awhile it seemed we had a solid game plan . . i just hope it doesnt take playing our coaches former team to be able to game plan and adjust to upcoming opponents. that being said i have to be patient with coach zorn as he is just learning the NFC east,

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Old 11-29-2008, 01:00 PM   #63
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it will be important for the skins not to lose track of domenik hixon as he is a playmaker (anyone watch his two spectacular returns a week ago). That being said, not having plax to defend will definitely free up the defense to concentrate on jacobs/bradshaw/ward.
IMO, this game will depend on the play of hb blades (if fletcher can't go). Will he be able to make plays and stop jacobs after 3/4 yards or will he be overwhelmed and give up a bunch of 12/13 yard runs that move the chains quickly and get the gmen into scoring position with regularity...thats what the game will hinge on.
That being said, there is no way that eli will be able to beat the skins' secondary...spring,smoot,rogers,landry,horton,hall are just too good for an average qb like manning to pick apart.
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Old 11-29-2008, 02:32 PM   #64
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it will be important for the skins not to lose track of domenik hixon as he is a playmaker (anyone watch his two spectacular returns a week ago). That being said, not having plax to defend will definitely free up the defense to concentrate on jacobs/bradshaw/ward.
IMO, this game will depend on the play of hb blades (if fletcher can't go). Will he be able to make plays and stop jacobs after 3/4 yards or will he be overwhelmed and give up a bunch of 12/13 yard runs that move the chains quickly and get the gmen into scoring position with regularity...thats what the game will hinge on.
That being said, there is no way that eli will be able to beat the skins' secondary...spring,smoot,rogers,landry,horton,hall are just too good for an average qb like manning to pick apart.
Huh... I'd prefer jacobs get three-fourths of a yard instead of twelve-thirteenths; however they're both a pretty short distance

Good point on Hixon as he is quicker than Plax i believe. Still I think Rogers, Hall and even Smoot should be able to basically contain him, leaving S. Springs to play FS or man-up a better receiver.
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Old 11-29-2008, 05:46 PM   #65
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i dont know if well FORCE him to beat us? i keep picturing us picking em off...somethin like Landry across the middle.
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Old 11-29-2008, 09:35 PM   #66
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This is a case of a Good football team playing against the best team in the NFL. Our defense has been solid but it's been the offense which has not carried the weight.

If CP has a good game our offense does well; however, it is apparent to me that JC will not progress unless the pass protection improves.

Our run defense will be tested in this game. Eli doesn't have to win this game - the three Giant RB will do the job.

On any given Sunday, the best team can be beaten. The Redskins are going to have to move to a new level to win on Sunday. I'm hopeful but don't believe this current squad has the juice to beat the Giants.
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Old 11-29-2008, 11:08 PM   #67
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Sup everybody? I been thinking about this Sunday non-stop (probably not the only one) and keep feeling like it will come down to our strategy on defense. I know this sounds weird because it's the offense that has struggled; however, my intuition is our offense is going to play extremely tough football. CP will be 200% focus and I think the o-line will take tremendous pride in smash-mouth football for 4 full quarters as a way to honor Sean and the close friendship between he and Portis. Also, the passing game will continue to open up now that Kelly is making progress and JC has regained some composure.

Defensively, we're facing the best ground game in football. Just curious if anyone thinks Blache will stack the box right from the beginning w/ the front four and then the SS moving up close to the line as a defacto 4th linebacker (and everyone keying in on the backfield)? It forces Eli to beat us, which seems risky at first because he can be very good. But there's this: we've got an elite secondary now w/ Springs healthy and Hall progressing quickly. If we could get an early INT w/ aggressive man-to-man coverage Eli could fall apart as he did against Cleveland (the Giants only loss).

Again this is risky, but if we can effectively shut down NY's rushing attack and get a great game from Springs, Rogers, Hall, Landry and Horton I could see Eli begin to struggle early and the Giants unable to adjust.
Goat you are really grasping at straws here. Not saying our Skins can't come away with a win, but it will be due to Eli going back to rookie form and throwing a ton of INTs. It is highly doubtful our hapless lines will dominate the Gmen in the trenches. First, our O line is a bunch of once proud Pro Bowlers now seen as foggies running out of gas, as well as being somewhat injury prone. Did you see the Gmen D line vs Arizona? Those guys are hungry and relatively healthy!! Do you honestly think Jansen or Thomas are going to withstand that kind of onslaught for 4 whole quarters? Also, I think Pierce is going to have a nice reunion with Portis, as the Gmen pass rush eliminates our passing game. And on the other side of the ball............ I guess we won't go there since there is no scientific proof yet of the existence of a Redskin pass rush. All in all, I think we are going to get our collective asses handed to us. Not sure about the playoffs either, but hey, there is a bright side to next season!!!!! Norv is sure to get the boot and maybe Snyder can hire him as the OC in 09! That would be a blast!!!!!!!
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Goat you are really grasping at straws here. Not saying our Skins can't come away with a win, but it will be due to Eli going back to rookie form and throwing a ton of INTs. It is highly doubtful our hapless lines will dominate the Gmen in the trenches. First, our O line is a bunch of once proud Pro Bowlers now seen as foggies running out of gas, as well as being somewhat injury prone. Did you see the Gmen D line vs Arizona? Those guys are hungry and relatively healthy!! Do you honestly think Jansen or Thomas are going to withstand that kind of onslaught for 4 whole quarters? Also, I think Pierce is going to have a nice reunion with Portis, as the Gmen pass rush eliminates our passing game. And on the other side of the ball............ I guess we won't go there since there is no scientific proof yet of the existence of a Redskin pass rush. All in all, I think we are going to get our collective asses handed to us. Not sure about the playoffs either, but hey, there is a bright side to next season!!!!! Norv is sure to get the boot and maybe Snyder can hire him as the OC in 09! That would be a blast!!!!!!!
How long since you're prozac prescription ran out? Jeez dude. Norv. Really.

Portis ran for 84 yards on 23 carries in the first meeting. Sure he's banged up but if you think he and the chums on the o-line will come out flat in this battle i guess you have very little respect for their character. There will be a nasty bruising battle for 4 qtrs of football and the G-men already have some injuries on defense.
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If our O-Line can hold then we have a shot. We cannot let Jacobs get rolling either.
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How long since you're prozac prescription ran out? Jeez dude. Norv. Really.

Portis ran for 84 yards on 23 carries in the first meeting. Sure he's banged up but if you think he and the chums on the o-line will come out flat in this battle i guess you have very little respect for their character. There will be a nasty bruising battle for 4 qtrs of football and the G-men already have some injuries on defense.
Gotta have some fun in here Goat and mix things up other than just the usual mundane stuff. Our lines have been playing subpar to average most of the season so, why do you think I am on or off Prozac to be able to observe that? Gmen lines are dominant end of story!! The Gmen destroy their opponents while we squeak by the likes of the Sea Chickens and Lions, even if we statistically dominate. Don't even get me going on the Rams!!!!!! To win we have to have supreme efforts by both lines and I haven't seen that yet this season. Our O line has had some nice games for sure, but both lines having stellar games hasn't happened yet. Let's hope come tomorrow night that I am eating some major crow, but for now I think we will need much more than an emotional lift to beat the Gmen.
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Old 11-30-2008, 03:54 PM   #71
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Gotta have some fun in here Goat and mix things up other than just the usual mundane stuff. Our lines have been playing subpar to average most of the season so, why do you think I am on or off Prozac to be able to observe that? Gmen lines are dominant end of story!! The Gmen destroy their opponents while we squeak by the likes of the Sea Chickens and Lions, even if we statistically dominate. Don't even get me going on the Rams!!!!!! To win we have to have supreme efforts by both lines and I haven't seen that yet this season. Our O line has had some nice games for sure, but both lines having stellar games hasn't happened yet. Let's hope come tomorrow night that I am eating some major crow, but for now I think we will need much more than an emotional lift to beat the Gmen.
I truly don't think you can pin the loss today on the o-line (and definitely not on the d-line). Overall, our defense honored Sean today w/ a great game. Sure there was the typical poor coverage from Smoot and a missed tackle here and there, but our defense did a great job against a Giant offense that had the ball for basically the entire game.

Eli didn't beat us. The Giant offense didn't beat us. The Giant defense didn't beat us. The Washington Redskins offensive unit lost this game. And while the o-line had some struggles against the very best defensive front 7 in defensive football our entire receiving corp looked like transfers from NAIA college football against a mediocre Giant secondary. GT's review will have the details but I saw dropped passes from every receiver save Thomas. I saw the ball bounce of hands, chests, shoulder pads and face masks. And then an interception by Campbell because he held on way too long like he always has. I don't know what can realistically be done to mend this. Sloppy play on offense and especially among the receiving corp is what lost us the playoff game last year, and the sloppiness/inconsistency just continues under a different coach and different strategy. I would love to hear anyone's ideas on this, any kind of explanation at all.
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I truly don't think you can pin the loss today on the o-line (and definitely not on the d-line). Overall, our defense honored Sean today w/ a great game. Sure there was the typical poor coverage from Smoot and a missed tackle here and there, but our defense did a great job against a Giant offense that had the ball for basically the entire game.

Eli didn't beat us. The Giant offense didn't beat us. The Giant defense didn't beat us. The Washington Redskins offensive unit lost this game. And while the o-line had some struggles against the very best defensive front 7 in defensive football our entire receiving corp looked like transfers from NAIA college football against a mediocre Giant secondary. GT's review will have the details but I saw dropped passes from every receiver save Thomas. I saw the ball bounce of hands, chests, shoulder pads and face masks. And then an interception by Campbell because he held on way too long like he always has. I don't know what can realistically be done to mend this. Sloppy play on offense and especially among the receiving corp is what lost us the playoff game last year, and the sloppiness/inconsistency just continues under a different coach and different strategy. I would love to hear anyone's ideas on this, any kind of explanation at all.
I cant explain it to you,but i disagree with you,Eli beat us with his passing,plain and simple,when we stacked the box eli threw perfect passes to beat us,something jc has never been able to do
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Old 11-30-2008, 04:26 PM   #73
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I cant explain it to you,but i disagree with you,Eli beat us with his passing,plain and simple,when we stacked the box eli threw perfect passes to beat us,something jc has never been able to do
Well I agree JC has never been consistently accurate/effective. But my point is that most QBs will rack up nice yardage when they hold the ball all game long. We intercepted him and should have had 1 or 2 more than we did. Eli played an ok game, but I don't think we should downplay the fact that the Giants average 29.9 pts/game and our defense held them under the avg even though Eli had the ball all goddamn day. Seriously, our offensive unit gave us no chance whatsoever. Dropped passes left and right. No rush-blocking. JC holding the ball too long.

But one thing i'm relatively sure of - Zorn is not the problem on offense. If the execution was there... we'd be a competitive football team. Our execution is abysmal, as it's been under multiple coaching/scheme/strategy changes.
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Old 11-30-2008, 04:28 PM   #74
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Perhaps we can have a nice friendly chat with Ely next game to characterize a more nuturing, caring type of play without words like "force him to beat us". And perhaps he won't have to KICK OUR ASS AGAIN...............
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