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Old 12-14-2008, 11:31 PM   #271
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I'm voting yes, but I wouldn't say his job should be in "jeopardy" per say. Bring him back for another year but he's definitely on the hot seat to show significant improvement in 2009.

What I'm interested to see is how Snyder will see all of this. Is he truly committed to Zorn for the long haul or was he just a stop gap until a sexier name became available? We'll see the answer soon enough.
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Today's loss must have Snyder seething, check out some of this, take from it what you will:

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Standing just to the podium's side, next to the interview room door was Karl Swanson, a publicity official for owner Daniel Snyder. And while the room was smaller than most in the NFL, he had never taken such a prominent position at a Zorn press conference. The tone was more stern, the mood more ominous.

"So many little things occurred throughout the course of the game that we must look at," Zorn said. "We must play better if we want to earn the right to win. You have to earn a win in this league. We must play better if we are going to earn the right to win. We certainly didn't earn the right to win today."

After a handful of questions, another Redskins official cut the press conference short, the first time such a thing has happened this season.

Looming over everything was the odd tiff that developed this week when star running back Clinton Portis criticized Zorn in a radio interview. Even though Portis later seemed to back away from the comments after a long meeting with Zorn on Wednesday and said nothing critical about the coach on Sunday, the controversy has taken a life of its own. The fact Portis is a favorite of Snyder's led to speculation that Zorn might be in danger of losing his job and might already have lost respect among the players he is coaching.
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Old 12-15-2008, 12:29 AM   #273
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No. Because Dallas is holding New York to three offensive points right now, and Philly held them to seven offensive points last week. Meanwhile, this exact same struggling OL managed to pile up 400+ yards of offense against us. Same thing with Dallas two weeks before. The overall product is right around the top ten range, but that's the talent carrying over. Blache has hurt us when we needed him most, against the opponents who know us the best.

If he gets outcoached by the rest of the NFL, I'm more forgiving. He gets outcoached by the rest of the NFC East (and he'll have one more shot next week), and we can't justify keeping him around.
Give me a break. The defense still holds the point total down and gives our offense the ball back. That's the bottom line. You can spin it anyway you want to. Dallas has better players on their defense than we do. Do we have anyone that can dominate like Ware or Ratliff? No. Simply put, when Dallas' front 7 decides to play to their potential they're pretty damn good. And the Giants wr's just beat our CB's. Hixon just beat our guys. Manning made some perfect throws. Why do you blame that on scheme? You simply refuse to give credit to the Giants for having better players.
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What about last year? We were much better last year.

Even post Taylor. We didn't blitz a whole lot, disguised coverages well, and got production from our DL. Carter had ten sacks.

We're an above average unit, but we are also the worst defense in the division. I think you could make an argument that we're also the worst offense in the division, but we are the worst defense, and the worst coached defense in the NFC East. If we want to be competitive, we have to compare ourselves to the competition in the East, not the rest of the NFL.

The first turnover did not help, for sure. But to think that any other defense in the division would play that poorly in Cincinnati is insanity.
I don't even have to make an argument; we are the worst offense and the worst coached offense in the division. It seems as though you're giving Zorn and the offense a free pass and putting way to much blame on Blache and the defense. You don't think Zorn is being totally outcoached by defensive coordinators in our division?
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I don't even have to make an argument; we are the worst offense and the worst coached offense in the division. It seems as though you're giving Zorn and the offense a free pass and putting way to much blame on Blache and the defense. You don't think Zorn is being totally outcoached by defensive coordinators in our division?
I think Zorn's natural tendencies are putting too much responsibility on personnel we don't have to run his crap. Like Devin Thomas, doing anything. But, I think our offensive line, for all the crap it takes, is better than Dallas' and Philly's in pass pro. And I think our QB is having a better year than Philly's. And I know our running back is having a better year than either Dallas or Philly's. So I mean, you put it that way, and maybe we're not the worst.

All things considered though, I think we are the worst offense. I'm just saying, it's very clear cut that we have the worst defense in the defensive-minded East. We probably have the worst offense as well, but at least I can argue that other teams are facing the same offensive issues we are.
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Give me a break. The defense still holds the point total down and gives our offense the ball back. That's the bottom line. You can spin it anyway you want to. Dallas has better players on their defense than we do. Do we have anyone that can dominate like Ware or Ratliff? No. Simply put, when Dallas' front 7 decides to play to their potential they're pretty damn good. And the Giants wr's just beat our CB's. Hixon just beat our guys. Manning made some perfect throws. Why do you blame that on scheme? You simply refuse to give credit to the Giants for having better players.
No, the bottom line is this: we have one of the top four man secondaries in the NFL, and we play mediocre pass defense. I'm happy they don't give up a lot of points, but they play a lot of weaker offenses, and for most of the year, the offense controlled the time of possession. So yeah, there's that.

I'm not arguing that we do not have a competant defense, like you seem to think I am. I'm arguing that Blache generally doesn't get it, and has cost us dearly this season.

Earlier in the year, I was high on him, but you can't treat Dallas and New York like Cleveland and Detroit. He has.
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No, the bottom line is this: we have one of the top four man secondaries in the NFL, and we play mediocre pass defense. I'm happy they don't give up a lot of points, but they play a lot of weaker offenses, and for most of the year, the offense controlled the time of possession. So yeah, there's that.

I'm not arguing that we do not have a competant defense, like you seem to think I am. I'm arguing that Blache generally doesn't get it, and has cost us dearly this season.

Earlier in the year, I was high on him, but you can't treat Dallas and New York like Cleveland and Detroit. He has.
If you put the Giants front four with our secondary the pass defense would improve. The excuse that we play weak offenses is not valid. The defense held down New Orleans, Arizona, Dallas, Philly, The Giants....need I go on? Blache seems to make very good halftime adjustments. Meaning if something works in the first half it doesn't work in the 2nd half. That's a sign of good coaching. Somethimes guys are just getting beat. The coach can only put the guy in position to make the play. Yesterday Smoot was in positon to make a crucial stop on 3rd down, he was in position to make the tackle and didn't and it kept their drive alive. You blame the coach for that?? I don't.

Bottom line is the reason we're in the position we're in is because of an offense that can not score points, can't get first downs, can't sustain drives and keeps sending the defense back on the field. You can nit pick about the defense all you want.... no excuse for not getting a 1st down until the 2q against Cinn. Right now we might have the worst offense in the NFL.
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Old 12-15-2008, 04:32 PM   #278
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1989 Dallas Cowboys went 1-15 beating yours only yours truly the Redskins of corse. By 2003 they where in the Superbowl. It takes time. But they kept the same team and organization for the most part. For those of you who don't go back that far. It's the same old Skins. And welcome to our world. For those who do go back that far. You should know better. What's the big suprise guys? Keep things the same for a while!

This is basically the same team/plan as 2004, it is Gibbs 2 if you will. Basically it is not working and needs a redo. I think it is going to take a Cowher type couch with complete control to turn this ship around. Now will Danny allow that? Yet to be seen but IMO Zorn is not the guy to do it.
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You know I love Gibbs but he's been away from the game for too long. Believe me when I heard Zorn was named HC I thought it was some sort of joke. I still do. Cowher would be a great coach no doubt. But all I'm saying is Jimmy Johnson was seen as a joke too. I would give Zorn at least one more year to see if he can improve the Skins. It's not like Cowher is bringing us to the SuperBowl in 1 season. Either way next year will be a transition. I may be wrong. Who knows maybe Zorn was the only one that wanted the job
JJ wasn't seen as a joke. College HC w/ a NC.

Can anyone tell me why we ran the ball w/ 2:10 left in the game down by 10, ball on the 10 yard line, approx? Then ran the screen after that. Bad stuff man.
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JJ wasn't seen as a joke. College HC w/ a NC.

Can anyone tell me why we ran the ball w/ 2:10 left in the game down by 10, ball on the 10 yard line, approx? Then ran the screen after that. Bad stuff man.
Yeah, that's a great point. A microcosm of the second half of our season. Early in the season when the line was healthy and playing well, we could dictate games with our running game. That's not the case anymore and hasn't been for at least a month (with Seattle being the lone exception).

On the road, trailing late in the game with the playoffs on the line, you've got to attack. I really hope Zorn's inability to adjust is nothing more than a symptom of being a rookie HC with too many responsibilities on his plate. I believe in his system, but I think he needs to let someone else call the plays.
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After the little tiff between CP and Zorn last week, you can totally tell Redskins PR got to both of them as far as post-game candor.

Zorn, who typically talks openly about lack of execution and hasn't taken too much blame thus far (until after this game):

Zorn: 'I've Got to Look at Myself' - Redskins Insider

And Portis, who is attention-hungry and rarely admits fault, but will certainly dish it out:

washingtonpost.com

Funny how Portis is literally quoting Zorn in prior weeks, blaming the game on players' lack of execution.
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I'm a little surprised that this is close to 50-50. I would have figured there would be a mutiny by now.

I appear to have taken my faith out of humanity too soon once again.
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After the little tiff between CP and Zorn last week, you can totally tell Redskins PR got to both of them as far as post-game candor.

Zorn, who typically talks openly about lack of execution and hasn't too much blame thus far:

Zorn: 'I've Got to Look at Myself' - Redskins Insider

And Portis, who is attention-hungry and rarely admits fault, but will certainly dish it out:

washingtonpost.com

Funny how Portis is literally quoting Zorn in prior weeks, blaming the game on players' lack of execution.
Well, Portis is smart enough to know he was out of line and that the problems with the team run a lot deeper than Zorn.

Zorn's smart enough to know he can use this loss to rectify his prior mistakes.

I don't know how long Portis will remain effective, but I know that Portis and Zorn can co-exist as long as they both are around.
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Zorn, should go down or ought to go down as the first HC ever to be an interim first year HC before the season started. His responsibilities going into this year were too over whelming and way above his pay grade and initial application.

I would hope we could either down grade him as Offensive Coordinator, but at the same time I preach continuity and being able to solidify our leadership and not this carousel of direction we are supposed to be heading.

It seems Cowher would never be interested in us. Where are we gonna find a guy worthy of us and better yet would want to keep Zorn as Off Coord.???

In Baltimore, they have Cameron for Off. and Ryan for Def. their HC Harboraugh is simply just a lifeguard watching over the 2 sides not really even messing with them. He simply is the front man who does interviews to the media and is supervisor for his staff.

Zorn posseses great character but I haven't seen the players seem to be declining their approval of him by the week. I wish Snyder/Cerrato could evaluate the talent/ team we have and be able to bring coaches/players in that work around them rather than entities that falsely build hype which fuels his product being merchandised.

I like how all of our problems are reflections of poor Mgt. but all they do is temporarily disguise it or temporarily sweep it under the rug. History seems to repeat it self again in DC.
Downgrade Zorn to Offensive Coordinator? You're kidding, right? Isn't he calling the offensive plays now? How does THAT seem to be working out so far (Crumbling offensive line nothwithstanding)?
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Old 12-16-2008, 10:02 AM   #285
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Has there ever been a head coach that lost his job and stayed on at a lower position? Just wondering if that's even a reality. I'm guessing no.
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