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Old 12-10-2008, 06:47 AM   #121
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agreed, there are glimpses of greatness

but more question marks to pound till we got somethin solid than mario
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Old 12-10-2008, 09:38 AM   #122
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Nothing the Skins do would surprise me but if they did this it would officially stamp the Skins and the 2nd worst franchise (Det is worst) in the NFL. This would be a stupid move of titanic proportions but like I said, its the Skins and nothing they do surprises me.
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You're kidding right? Ever team deals with injuries, and it's the coaches job to adjust properly and deal with those injuries. What did Zorn think he was going to make it through a whole season without any injuries?
Thanks for that! *rolls eyes*
We all know teams deal with injuries. Especially @ this time of the season. But unless Zorn suits it up and starts running routes, covering WR's & blocking defensive lineman......I'm pretty sure he's (and yes other head coaches as well) at the mercy of a 2nd,3rd,or 4th string's talent & abilities!
He may adjust...but that doesn't make the players skills any better.
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Old 12-10-2008, 09:48 AM   #124
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Thanks for that! *rolls eyes*
We all know teams deal with injuries. Especially @ this time of the season. But unless Zorn suits it up and starts running routes, covering WR's & blocking defensive lineman......I'm pretty sure he's (and yes other head coaches as well) at the mercy of a 2nd,3rd,or 4th string's talent & abilities!
He may adjust...but that doesn't make the players skills any better.
100% correct. The talent (or lack of it) is what holding Zorn back. He cant do what he wants because the players just cant do it.
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Old 12-10-2008, 10:13 AM   #125
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I see alot of people commenting that he has a team that made the playoffs last year and he has the same defensive and offensive players. Last year we had Taylor and then after his passing the team used that to propel them to the playoffs and we just barely made it.

The fact that we have the same team and not an improved team is a problem that rests with the FO. Most of the other teams have improved and added new players. We have alot of old guys who are just a year older and at their age it makes a big difference. Blaming this on Zorn is ridiculous. You can't win with an offensive line that is basically a turnstyle and a defensive line that can't get to the QB even when we blitz.
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Old 12-10-2008, 10:21 AM   #126
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I see alot of people commenting that he has a team that made the playoffs last year and he has the same defensive and offensive players. Last year we had Taylor and then after his passing the team used that to propel them to the playoffs and we just barely made it.

The fact that we have the same team and not an improved team is a problem that rests with the FO. Most of the other teams have improved and added new players. We have alot of old guys who are just a year older and at their age it makes a big difference. Blaming this on Zorn is ridiculous. You can't win with an offensive line that is basically a turnstyle and a defensive line that can't get to the QB even when we blitz.
I say it in another thread, the FO spends too much $ for the Skins to ever go 1-15 but they dont build the team the way championship teams are built so as a result this team is stuck (as its been for a long time now) in that zone between bad team and champion always finishing somewhere in the 8-8 range. What I am starting hear is that fans are beginning to feel the fan being bled out of them and that's not a good thing for ticket sales, etc.
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Old 12-10-2008, 10:26 AM   #127
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I say it in another thread, the FO spends too much $ for the Skins to ever go 1-15 but they dont build the team the way championship teams are built so as a result this team is stuck (as its been for a long time now) in that zone between bad team and champion always finishing somewhere in the 8-8 range. What I am starting hear is that fans are beginning to feel the fan being bled out of them and that's not a good thing for ticket sales, etc.
Ya I really wish we would have hired Parcells and canned Cerrato to build this team the way it should be built, thru the draft. The fact Parcells was willing to give up Taylor should have told us to walk away from that deal.
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Old 12-10-2008, 10:38 AM   #128
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I see alot of people commenting that he has a team that made the playoffs last year and he has the same defensive and offensive players. Last year we had Taylor and then after his passing the team used that to propel them to the playoffs and we just barely made it.

The fact that we have the same team and not an improved team is a problem that rests with the FO. Most of the other teams have improved and added new players. We have alot of old guys who are just a year older and at their age it makes a big difference. Blaming this on Zorn is ridiculous. You can't win with an offensive line that is basically a turnstyle and a defensive line that can't get to the QB even when we blitz.

Well some of the younger guys (Campbell, Rogers, Blades, McIntosh, Montgomery, Alexander) have another year of experience under their belts and some of the others (Horton, Thomas, Kelly, Hall to an extent) are just starting to get experience. And still others (Davis, Rinehart, Tryon) should start getting that experience soon.

The problem isn't as much having the players (though I agree they need more) to improve the team, it's more so making the commitment to play those players. The reality is that that commitment could mean you deal with a couple of dreadful seasons where we aren't hovering around the playoff picture until the final week. This team may just have to be awful to be great.
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Old 12-10-2008, 10:47 AM   #129
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Well some of the younger guys (Campbell, Rogers, Blades, McIntosh, Montgomery, Alexander) have another year of experience under their belts and some of the others (Horton, Thomas, Kelly, Hall to an extent) are just starting to get experience. And still others (Davis, Rinehart, Tryon) should start getting that experience soon.

The problem isn't as much having the players (though I agree they need more) to improve the team, it's more so making the commitment to play those players. The reality is that that commitment could mean you deal with a couple of dreadful seasons where we aren't hovering around the playoff picture until the final week. This team may just have to be awful to be great.
I agree those guys are getting more experience, unfortunately most are not playing at the positions where we need the most help, the offensive and defensive lines. I think our defense would be dominant if we had a defensive lineman that could rush the QB and command double teams. And I really think our offense would be pretty good if we could just provide some protection for Campbell. These are the areas where we haven't improved at all. In fact we lost Daniels which was one of our better lineman.
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Old 12-10-2008, 10:50 AM   #130
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I hope Zorn gets fired. I want Cowher IN O9-10!! This guy might be able to be a head coach in 5-7 years but right now he's just a good coordinator. He would be a great o-coord. thats all.
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Old 12-10-2008, 11:02 AM   #131
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I agree those guys are getting more experience, unfortunately most are not playing at the positions where we need the most help, the offensive and defensive lines. I think our defense would be dominant if we had a defensive lineman that could rush the QB and command double teams. And I really think our offense would be pretty good if we could just provide some protection for Campbell. These are the areas where we haven't improved at all. In fact we lost Daniels which was one of our better lineman.
Well, I think that we have some good young pieces (still missing a dominant piece) on the defensive line but would agree that we need much more help on the offensive line. Although I have really high hopes for Rinehart and think Heyer is at least decent.

Losing Daniels definitely hurt us, but what arguably hurt us just as much was that his backup who was supposed to play a bigger role this season (Alex Buzbee) got hurt on the same day.
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Nothing the Skins do would surprise me but if they did this it would officially stamp the Skins and the 2nd worst franchise (Det is worst) in the NFL. This would be a stupid move of titanic proportions but like I said, its the Skins and nothing they do surprises me.
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Old 12-10-2008, 11:29 AM   #133
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This is not going to happen.
The fact that a rumor such as this is being passed around (by some of you) and discussed as a possible avenue to success of this team is a REAL shame. Any of you Ninnie's endorsing such a move, need to spend a little more time looking for work................and less time here. Well....there is that drug test thing.....problem
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Old 12-10-2008, 12:48 PM   #134
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I totally disagree. If we lose our next three games, after starting the season 6-2, and finish the season 7-9 I think absolutely merits a firing. This was a playoff team last year with virtually the same players. We have the talent on this team i'm just not exactly sure if it's being used properly.
Play off team yes, but even Gibbs had a bad year in between his two playoff runs. This was a tall order to ask of any new head coach. Then throw in the fact that he has never been an NFL coordinator let alone a coach. Then hand him the team and say see what you can do a long with a new scheme (WCO). Plus it wasn't like he was hired in Jan or Feb. it was like what March or April right before the draft. He had to review film to see what he had then decide what he needed in the draft to only get to pick best player available instead by positional need. Then come up with a playbook, training schedule, preseason schedule, teach a QB how to be a QB, teach a whole team his WCO scoring machine we were promised, and play call for games. Even Gibbs looked bad his first year. Lost what the first 5 games ended up 8-8. Then progressivly got better.

I say we need to give Zorn time. He needs to get "his" type of players he needs to run his offense. The best part about Gibbs was he came here and realized that the players didn't fit his system so he changed his system halfway through the year which many people accredited him for developing. There was the WCO and Gibbs offense. The trees split off from there. Now the problem I see with Zorn is he has not adapted to his players. He wants them to adapt to his system and we don't have the right players in the system. WCO needs tall WR's we don't have them developed to run this system. It needs more of a run blocking TE and Cooley is more of a passing TE due to size. I've heard mention that the whole O-line is not typical of a WCO. He should get one more year to try to empliment his offense but I will add that I don't know if he will get it. If Snyder learns that Cowher is wanting back in coaching and still has a hard on for the man then Zorn is gone.
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It is completely understandable that Jim Zorn is a rookie head coach/coordinator and needs time, but it's a bad experiment with the wrong team. People keep saying its the personnel problems but this very same team was good enough to go to the playoffs last year and go 6-2 earlier this year against very good teams. NOW...I'm a die hard Redskins fan and the one thing I'm starting to notice is I'm able to predict the plays we call before we hike the ball. It's just that predictable. YES Campbell played well earlier and YES he has improved from last year, but much of that success is from a new system and a QB with limited knowledge of it. Defenses have figured us out. Our Offensive Line is not fully responsible for the protection problems either as we now have so many protection schemes and no one is fully getting it. The Offense is so complexed that its even slowing the progress of rookies like Devin Thomas and Fred Davis because they're confused. Not just them but Veterans too. It all falls down to Zorn for most of the blame. This Redskins Team right now is very good in personnel but we need the right Offensive Coordinator and scheme and Zorn just isn't it. Last year our offense was making progress under Al Saunders from what control of the offense he did have with Gibbs and it makes no sense why we got rid of him. We played well with the lil we had and not to mention the O-Line injuries. We would have excell with the new rookies this year. Every loved the WCO first because it spreads the offense and gives Campbell more options but what people failed to realize is that is also brings a lot more responsibility to everyone, and now its getting to all the players as you can see. Zorn may be a good coach but just not now and not with us...I hope he does get Fired...even at 6-2 i knew we would really struggle soon
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