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Old 12-10-2008, 03:47 PM   #136
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What did Zorn say about Portis that was so bad that warranted what Portis did? He was asked why Portis didn't play in the second half and he answered honestly. He didn't go out of his way to say anything about Portis and what he said was the truth according to him. The fact was that they were down 17-0 and he felt maybe Betts was better prepared since Betts had actually practiced all week with the first team offense and attended all the meetings. Sorry but that doesn't warrant a personal attack by Portis. If he can't handle that reply from Zorn then he sure couldn't play for Cowher who people here seem to be so high on and who would not put up with his egocentric attitude. He would be riding the pine this week if he had pulled that with Cowher.
i agree with everything except portis wouldnt be riding the pine, cowhers chin would grow a fist and clock CP. that or cowher would walk up to cp with that great "furious" look he has with veins popping and pulsating from his forehead and portis would be calling everyone and the ball boy "sir" for a few weeks.

this offseason when things are slow we should do a top ten best "coach's faces" thread with pics.
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Old 12-10-2008, 03:59 PM   #137
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i agree with everything except portis wouldnt be riding the pine, cowhers chin would grow a fist and clock CP. that or cowher would walk up to cp with that great "furious" look he has with veins popping and pulsating from his forehead and portis would be calling everyone and the ball boy "sir" for a few weeks.

this offseason when things are slow we should do a top ten best "coach's faces" thread with pics.
Ya Cowher's head looked like it was ready to explode at any minute when he would get that irrate on the sidelines. I have never seen veins stick out so much as they did on him.
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Old 12-10-2008, 07:44 PM   #138
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I hate to be an a-hole but Portis has more than earned the right to air his stuff out. I imagine he had something to say during the game, not just after it.

"Zorn said Portis' lack of practice was starting to reflect in the running back's performance -- particularly in the passing game. So the coach went with backups Ladell Betts and Mike Sellers."

What do you expect? He's getting beat the hell up, he needs to rest, he shows up on Sundays where a lot of guys wouldn't. Portis is the light at the end of the tunnel when it comes down to it. Anyone who's highly competitive and good at what they do will have severe frustrations when things aren't going right.. and he's FAR from a T.O., faaaarrrrrr from it. So yeah, these issues should be channeled correctly, but knowing that someone is genuinely frustrated and wants even more of a load on their shoulders, that's refreshing. Oh well, he called out coach, it's not Gibbs.. it's not a "good ol boy" league anymore, we're lucky that Portis still calls himself a Redskins and wants to stay with us, will restructure, etc.. The boy deserves a ring.
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So Portis has earned the right to be selfish and be a distraction to the team now? Give me a freakin break. It's not about Portis it's about the TEAM. Anyone else pulls the shit he does they're riding the pine until they're shipped out. Portis is a warrior but he'll throw his teammates or coach under the bus if he does'nt feel like he's getting enough attention. I love the way the guy plays but undermining the coaches decisions and authority in public is hardly contributing to the success of the team. He seems to forget that we did pretty well without him when he was hurt a couple of years ago and Betts took his place. He's a great player but he's not indispensable. I'd like to see what we could get for him in trade while he's hot to be honest. He's been treated like a prima donna since he's been here and he probably has less to complain about than any other player. We laugh at T.O. when he pulls this kind of crap and it's okay for Portis? Get real.
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I'd like to see what we could get for him in trade while he's hot to be honest.
Well, one thing we could get is $13 million in deadcap.
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Well, one thing we could get is $13 million in deadcap.
Well obviously I wasn't speaking of just releasing him. I would be curious to see what OFFERS we would get.
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I hate to be an a-hole but Portis has more than earned the right to air his stuff out. I imagine he had something to say during the game, not just after it.

"Zorn said Portis' lack of practice was starting to reflect in the running back's performance -- particularly in the passing game. So the coach went with backups Ladell Betts and Mike Sellers."

What do you expect? He's getting beat the hell up, he needs to rest, he shows up on Sundays where a lot of guys wouldn't. Portis is the light at the end of the tunnel when it comes down to it. Anyone who's highly competitive and good at what they do will have severe frustrations when things aren't going right.. and he's FAR from a T.O., faaaarrrrrr from it. So yeah, these issues should be channeled correctly, but knowing that someone is genuinely frustrated and wants even more of a load on their shoulders, that's refreshing. Oh well, he called out coach, it's not Gibbs.. it's not a "good ol boy" league anymore, we're lucky that Portis still calls himself a Redskins and wants to stay with us, will restructure, etc.. The boy deserves a ring.
Venting to his coach privately and taking his frustrations to the media are totally different.

Imature move on CPs part..... man up and play the game.
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Venting to his coach privately and taking his frustrations to the media are totally different.

Imature move on CPs part..... man up and play the game.
But, from what I understand, Zorn didn't talk to Portis about why he was sitting out the second half before he told the media on Monday. So neither one handled this the right way.
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Well, one thing we could get is $13 million in deadcap.
And we know what that means.

Not gonna happen.
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But, from what I understand, Zorn didn't talk to Portis about why he was sitting out the second half before he told the media on Monday. So neither one handled this the right way.
Zorn "telling the media" is so overblown.... he answered a question. He answered in a way that was not even close to as unprofessional as CP's rant on the radio.
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But, from what I understand, Zorn didn't talk to Portis about why he was sitting out the second half before he told the media on Monday. So neither one handled this the right way.
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Bad form CP.........
If he thought JZ did him dirty, go to Coach. Anybody who has played team sports at any level understands this.
I'll still hug his neck for being a gamer........but bad form
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Zorn would definitely benefit by taking a page from Gibbs and learning when to not be quite so open with the media. On the surface some of his comments might not seem that damaging, but there are subtle things that players don't appreciate even if the intent is not there to insult that player.
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Zorn would definitely benefit by taking a page from Gibbs and learning when to not be quite so open with the media. On the surface some of his comments might not seem that damaging, but there are subtle things that players don't appreciate even if the intent is not there to insult that player.
he will learn, and has been stated, he can come off arrogant
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Zorn "telling the media" is so overblown.... he answered a question. He answered in a way that was not even close to as unprofessional as CP's rant on the radio.
He doesn't have to answer every question. He can say something as vague as both players are very valuable to our team and we expect that Clinton will continue to be a big part of our offense moving forward. And if pressed, Clinton and I have not had a chance to sit down and talk, but I want to talk with him first.
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Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show

Marty chimes in. Very good point on his behalf IMO.

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Posted at 3:44 PM ET, 12/11/2008
Marty Weighs In

It's okay, you can admit it. When the Clinton Portis-Jim Zorn thing flared up, your first thought was, "Hmmmm, I wonder what Marty Schottenheimer thinks." (Well, one of you did and you know who you are.)

Today, on the "The Red Zone" on SIRIUS NFL Radio, he talked about the matter; this transcript comes courtesy of Sirius.

Host Bruce Murray: "Tell me what you think is going on in Washington, what role [owner] Dan Snyder may play in this thing and, as a head coach, how you handle it?"

Schottenheimer: "Dan may have an opinion on it but I don't think it'll go beyond that. This is clearly another example that we see in our league from time to time and 'it's all about me.' It's all about the player. You don't hear him talk about the team. You don't hear him talk about winning football games. All you hear him talk about is 'me,' him, and that is characteristic of some guys in this league. I think that has been part of the way he's been since he's been in the league. There's a reason you get upset but if you stop and think about it, the team is the only thing that's important and if you fail to recognize that then you are not part of the solution, you're part of the problem."

Murray: "How would you handle it as a head coach and is it handled differently by a head coach that has earned his stripes in this league, like yourself, who may have been around for 10 years or is it a greater challenge for Jim Zorn who is a rookie head coach and has to deal with a superstar? How does that change the dynamic?"

Schottenheimer: "Well, I think it may be a little bit different for the younger coach, the guy that has not been involved in that position, because all the players on the team are looking to see how this situation gets managed. And my feeling has always been, you have to take a strong position as the coach because ultimately, if you fail to do that, then you're giving credibility to what, first of all, the player has had to say and, more importantly, you're giving the other players a sense of, 'Well, if I get in that situation then I can go ahead and say whatever I want.' And the point I made earlier is the key in this thing. It needs to be about the team, not about 'me.'"
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