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Old 01-02-2009, 01:10 PM   #106
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Re: JLC: Rogers, Possibly on the Way Out

i agree. and they ought to give Smoot the first seat on a plane ride out of town
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Old 01-02-2009, 10:33 PM   #107
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This seems kind of ridiculous. Of course the Redskins will do their due diligence and shop Rogers around quietly before they really need to make a decision on his long-term future with the Redskins. They'll probably do the same with Campbell. It's pretty standard practice. Will they actually let him go? I suppose it's possible especially with Hall probably signing a nice contract with us and Springs possibly staying but that makes Rogers no more expendable. Because after those three who do you have? Smoot is ok as a dime db, Tryon is fine on special teams but a ways away from being a regular DB on the field, and Westbrook can't even get on the active roster
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Old 01-11-2009, 02:17 AM   #108
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Redskins could use Rogers as bargaining chip
By Eric Edholm
Jan. 9, 2009

The Redskins are back in a familiar position. A year after having an unusual offseason with almost no free-agent activity and 10 draft picks, the team will be forced to trim some aged and expensive talent and currently has only four draft picks with which to work. The Redskins have first-, third-, fifth- and sixth-round picks, having traded away their second-, fourth- and seventh-round picks in separate deals for Jason Taylor, Pete Kendall and Erasmus James. The team wants to add picks and might have the depth at cornerback to make a trade. The most likely to go? Believe it or not, Carlos Rogers. Through the first part of the season, Rogers was playing at a Pro Bowl level, but he fell off and eventually was demoted to playing nine defensive snaps in the loss to the Bengals. The club would like to work out a long-term deal with free-agent-to-be DeAngelo Hall, and not Rogers — whose deal has one year remaining — and could use him as trade bait. One estimated guess at Rogers’ value: a second-round pick, which would offset the draft-pick shortage somewhat.

So do you think that we would trade him for a second rounder?
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Old 01-11-2009, 11:02 AM   #109
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If we can get a 2nd for Rogers I say take that deal and run. I'm just not sure there will be a taker for that high of a pick but we'll see.
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Old 01-11-2009, 11:08 AM   #110
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what sense does it make to trade Rogers? he is young, and is a pretty damn good corner. there is no guarantee what you get when you draft someone. with Rogers, you already know what you have
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Old 01-11-2009, 11:10 AM   #111
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If we can get a 2nd for Rogers I say take that deal and run. I'm just not sure there will be a taker for that high of a pick but we'll see.
If Rogers was 30, and Moss was 26, I'd probably agree with you, but I think we need a few more years of Rogers, while Moss probably has already seen his best years.
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Old 01-11-2009, 11:26 AM   #112
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what sense does it make to trade Rogers? he is young, and is a pretty damn good corner. there is no guarantee what you get when you draft someone. with Rogers, you already know what you have
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Old 01-11-2009, 12:10 PM   #113
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Do you think we are going to resign him next year when his contract is up? We will most likely let him walk. So we mite as well trade him this year so we can try to get some value out of him.


If we were going to resign him, then id be all for it. But, i highly doubt we are so we gotta get value for him.
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I would have mixed feelings to see Rogers go. He really picked up his play this year and finally seemed to be "getting it". On the other hand he still has hands of stone and that's a pretty significant issue. His inability to create game changing turnovers is whats holding him back from being an elite corner.
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Old 01-11-2009, 12:30 PM   #115
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Id be ok with Rogers starting opposite of Hall for the next 5-6 years. With an improved D-line this defense could become better.
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Old 01-11-2009, 02:01 PM   #116
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I'd also say a high second for CR is a different ballgame than a mid or low second. But what team picking in the first ten picks of the draft is looking for a Carlos Rogers like player to complete their roster?

There's just no way we get a deal worth trading him.

I also happen to think we're overblowing the hands thing. He's dropped two real game changing plays in his career: that one in the 2005 divisional round, and the one in the Pittsburgh game this year, but he's got 3 INT in 23 games since 2007, and one of those picks went to the house. All three of them came with considerable return yards.

So yeah, he's definately going to drop some INTs in the future, but for a guy who plays defense for a reason, I think he catches an acceptable amount.
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I'd also say a high second for CR is a different ballgame than a mid or low second. But what team picking in the first ten picks of the draft is looking for a Carlos Rogers like player to complete their roster?

There's just no way we get a deal worth trading him.

I also happen to think we're overblowing the hands thing. He's dropped two real game changing plays in his career: that one in the 2005 divisional round, and the one in the Pittsburgh game this year, but he's got 3 INT in 23 games since 2007, and one of those picks went to the house. All three of them came with considerable return yards.

So yeah, he's definately going to drop some INTs in the future, but for a guy who plays defense for a reason, I think he catches an acceptable amount.
He has 6 career INTs in 4 seasons, sorry but any way you slice that it's pretty piss poor.
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Old 01-12-2009, 12:25 AM   #118
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He has 6 career INTs in 4 seasons, sorry but any way you slice that it's pretty piss poor.
Well, then theres the point that we shouldn't judge any corner by INTs because they tend to be a negative indicator.

The best corner in the league, Asomugha, has fewer picks than Rogers in more games since 2007. In fact, he did not intercept a pass his first three years in the league. Sure, his 8 INT season in 2006 is what made him an elite corner in the minds of most offensive guys, but it's not like he's been in decline since that season, though his INT total certainly begs the question.

I guess what I'm saying is that while I share your frustrations with Rogers on those missed opportunities, I think you have to realize that he created the opportunity in the first place by reading the route and breaking on the ball. To say that his INT production has been piss poor would be like saying that London Fletcher's forced fumble ability (1 as a Redskin, 11 in his entire career) is piss poor and that he's thusly expendable. I just don't think that's how a players value to the team should be graded, at least not seriously when deciding his trade value.
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Old 01-12-2009, 07:25 AM   #119
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Re: JLC: Rogers, Possibly on the Way Out

I don't care who you have in the backfield, if you can't get pressure on the QB consistantly your corners will get burned. Look at the teams that are in the playoffs every year, the thing they have in common is generating a pass rush with their front four. But I would like to see Carlos stay, you have to go with youth.
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