Anyone still think Portis "was a product of Denver's system"?

redwagonskins · 09-12-2004, 10:58 PM

11 carries 110 yds 2tds
1 catch 1td
yeah, not too shabby

Hogskin · 09-13-2004, 01:21 AM

To OFFISS and also to all you characters bitching about our OL - try to remember: We were playing against an EXCELLENT defense. Give them at least a LITTLE credit. And comparing it with Griffin's numbers, try to remember he was going against arguably the WORST defense in the NFL. Did you guys even notice the horrible, erratic, disorganized defensive play by KC and the poor tackling??? I was extremely disappointed in Gunther's defense, and have to believe he will improve it over the next several weeks. It was pitiful. Hell, *I* could have gained 50 yards against them, and I'm 63 years old!! It will be interesting to see how the Denver "system" compares to our RB stats next week when we go against the Giants and they are up against the Jags. I expect some MUCH different numbers then.

The only surprise I got in either of these 2 games was in the coverage scheme Denver used to totally shut down the KC passing game. I have never seen another team have the genius to put their top CB on Gonzalez for an entire game. I bet we'll see a lot more of it from here on out.

redwagonskins · 09-13-2004, 01:24 AM

After today, I think everyone is happy. We got what we desperately needed: a stud RB (never mind we let one go a year ago, but we pretty much need to wipe the slate clean)
Denver got a shutdown corner.
I still would have made the trade, like I heard some announcer today say: "you don't give up a guy that scores a lot of points for a guy the prevents a few".
How about some credit for our O-line? The same group that last year got Ramsey almost killed, with a lot of better coaching and game planning, blocks for 160yds and 0 sacks!!!! Wow.

bedlamVR · 09-13-2004, 01:57 AM

Brunell Fan is right we never had to wory about SD going backwards but I didn't see Portis doing too mutch of that either last night. One thing we did have to wory about is SD had to have nearly30 carriers in a game before he was effective he would cough up the ball in key situations and in big games he would simply just not turn up.

JWsleep · 09-13-2004, 01:57 AM

Portis is for real. Look, he's a constant big-play threat. That's part of the way he gained 1500 yards a season. He's got serious speed and excellent moves. 64-yard TD runs are a big part of what he does. As for the day-to-day grind it out stuff, I thought he had his moments, but the TB D basically stacked the line. I was surprised that we only threw one screen, and we didn't get much out of our play action. Once that starts to kick, Portis will have even more room to move. And believe this: the giants are right now worriedly scheming to deal with Portis. And he doesn't play for the Broncos.

That Guy · 09-13-2004, 03:11 AM

I'd like to also say griffin got his yards on frikkin KC, wait till they play a real defense...

Mattyk · 09-13-2004, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by hurrykaine

Unduly harsh judgement on the run blocking IMHO - usually, when a back runs for a 150 yards, there's 1-2 long runs in there. I think it's unfair to take out those two runs from the total rushing and point out the low avg yards per carry on the remaining rushes. You almost never see a case where someone has 30 carries for 150 yards that comprises 30 runs for 5 yards each.

Also, as was rightly pointed out by someone else, this was TB we ran for 166 yards against - pretty damn good considering their run defense.

Further, atleast 6-7 carries that Portis had came right at the end when our objective was to get short runs to get first downs and run out the clock. So, if you take away those 6-7 small yard carries at the end along with the 64 yd run, he had about 21 carries for 80-84 yards, which is a pretty decent yards per carry.

I agree, you can pick apart almost any RB's performance and say, well if you take away this run he only had X amount of yards.

That Guy · 09-13-2004, 08:46 AM

the great majority of runs are for under 5 yards... anyone with 5.0+ ypc averages has them because they're home run threats, and those home runs pad their one yarders.

Mattyk · 09-13-2004, 09:03 AM

I think people aren't giving the Bucs D and their coaching staff enough credit.

bridaman51 · 09-13-2004, 09:15 AM

The Bucs have a really good D and they will prove it against Seattle next week who looks like they may not have shaun Alexander. But Portis is not a product of Denver, He is a quality back who played in that scheme in which you can put any back there and get 1000 yards. But Portis did it in college and has done it in the pros He is the product of Mommy and Daddy Portis.

JWsleep · 09-13-2004, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bridaman51

He is the product of Mommy and Daddy Portis.

lol.

Hogskin · 09-13-2004, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by offiss

I don't know if I would call it genious, they don't have anyone else who's a threat, Eddie Kennison? Hall? WR is much more skilled than kick return's.

Well, maybe you don't recognize it as genius, but most would. After 2 years and almost 40 games of having no real competition as the #1 offense in football, NONE of the other great football minds came up with this strategy against them, and no one else succeeded in bogging them down. I call that genius. It is certainly a huge step above the other top strategists in the league, and is certain to be copied for the rest of the season. (Much to my dismay!!! I drafted Gonzalez!! LOL)

Now, maybe another great mind will come along and put their #2 CB on Priest LOL - he is their only other receiving threat!!

That Guy · 09-13-2004, 02:14 PM

EK will still get 1000 yards, not a bad FF pickup, he's available late.

Hogskin · 09-13-2004, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I agree, you can pick apart almost any RB's performance and say, well if you take away this run he only had X amount of yards.

So right, Matty. If you took away his 30+ yard carries in Denver, his average looks a WHOLE lot different. Without those, his average puts him with bums. He made his rep on all the breakaway runs he got. This is not a Riggo-type runner who grinds it out, and very seldom breaks a big one. He is the other side of the spectrum, and every bit as valuable doing that.

It bothered me at the top of this thread to see the criticism of the OL. My gosh, how could the turnaround in the OL have been more dramatic from one season to the next????? And with the top performer on the line out for the year!! Bugel is amazing. I give him 100 out of 10! And it's going to get even better, guys.

SmootSmack · 09-13-2004, 03:50 PM

Enough about Denver's system. What about Gibbs' and Bugel's system? Why doesn't anyone talk about that? Who really thinks they don't know how to use Portis and showcase his strenghts and minimize his weaknesses? The way some people (not on this board) talk you'd think Denver invented the running game

09-13-2004, 01:21 AM	#17
Hogskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hartselle, Alabama Age: 72 Posts: 659	To OFFISS and also to all you characters bitching about our OL - try to remember: We were playing against an EXCELLENT defense. Give them at least a LITTLE credit. And comparing it with Griffin's numbers, try to remember he was going against arguably the WORST defense in the NFL. Did you guys even notice the horrible, erratic, disorganized defensive play by KC and the poor tackling??? I was extremely disappointed in Gunther's defense, and have to believe he will improve it over the next several weeks. It was pitiful. Hell, I could have gained 50 yards against them, and I'm 63 years old!! It will be interesting to see how the Denver "system" compares to our RB stats next week when we go against the Giants and they are up against the Jags. I expect some MUCH different numbers then. The only surprise I got in either of these 2 games was in the coverage scheme Denver used to totally shut down the KC passing game. I have never seen another team have the genius to put their top CB on Gonzalez for an entire game. I bet we'll see a lot more of it from here on out. __________________ John Shaffer National Fantasy Sports Leagues, Inc. Home of "The BEST Game In Town" since 1990

09-13-2004, 01:57 AM	#20
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 44 Posts: 4,576	Portis is for real. Look, he's a constant big-play threat. That's part of the way he gained 1500 yards a season. He's got serious speed and excellent moves. 64-yard TD runs are a big part of what he does. As for the day-to-day grind it out stuff, I thought he had his moments, but the TB D basically stacked the line. I was surprised that we only threw one screen, and we didn't get much out of our play action. Once that starts to kick, Portis will have even more room to move. And believe this: the giants are right now worriedly scheming to deal with Portis. And he doesn't play for the Broncos. __________________ Hail from Houston!

09-13-2004, 03:11 AM	#21
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 30 Posts: 15,620	I'd like to also say griffin got his yards on frikkin KC, wait till they play a real defense... __________________ Who says shameless self promotion is stupid? oh yeah, that was me... Click For Tunes!

09-13-2004, 08:46 AM	#23
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 30 Posts: 15,620	the great majority of runs are for under 5 yards... anyone with 5.0+ ypc averages has them because they're home run threats, and those home runs pad their one yarders. __________________ Who says shameless self promotion is stupid? oh yeah, that was me... Click For Tunes!

09-13-2004, 02:14 PM	#28
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 30 Posts: 15,620	EK will still get 1000 yards, not a bad FF pickup, he's available late. __________________ Who says shameless self promotion is stupid? oh yeah, that was me... Click For Tunes!

09-12-2004, 10:58 PM	#16
redwagonskins Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 685	11 carries 110 yds 2tds 1 catch 1td yeah, not too shabby

09-13-2004, 01:24 AM	#18
redwagonskins Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 685	After today, I think everyone is happy. We got what we desperately needed: a stud RB (never mind we let one go a year ago, but we pretty much need to wipe the slate clean) Denver got a shutdown corner. I still would have made the trade, like I heard some announcer today say: "you don't give up a guy that scores a lot of points for a guy the prevents a few". How about some credit for our O-line? The same group that last year got Ramsey almost killed, with a lot of better coaching and game planning, blocks for 160yds and 0 sacks!!!! Wow.

09-13-2004, 01:57 AM	#19
bedlamVR Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 388	Brunell Fan is right we never had to wory about SD going backwards but I didn't see Portis doing too mutch of that either last night. One thing we did have to wory about is SD had to have nearly30 carriers in a game before he was effective he would cough up the ball in key situations and in big games he would simply just not turn up.

09-13-2004, 09:03 AM	#24
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,656	I think people aren't giving the Bucs D and their coaching staff enough credit.

09-13-2004, 09:15 AM	#25
bridaman51 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Roanoke Virginia Age: 35 Posts: 335	The Bucs have a really good D and they will prove it against Seattle next week who looks like they may not have shaun Alexander. But Portis is not a product of Denver, He is a quality back who played in that scheme in which you can put any back there and get 1000 yards. But Portis did it in college and has done it in the pros He is the product of Mommy and Daddy Portis.

09-13-2004, 03:50 PM	#30
SmootSmack Mad Men Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,098	Enough about Denver's system. What about Gibbs' and Bugel's system? Why doesn't anyone talk about that? Who really thinks they don't know how to use Portis and showcase his strenghts and minimize his weaknesses? The way some people (not on this board) talk you'd think Denver invented the running game __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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