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Old 01-09-2009, 10:15 AM   #16
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Portis please shut the **** up.!!
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Old 01-09-2009, 10:30 AM   #17
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Portis often has diarrhea of the mouth. I don't even listen or care anymore.
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Old 01-09-2009, 10:35 AM   #18
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I am about done with Portis. His version of events is not at all accurate either...the Redskins got away from the running game later in the season becasue it was no longer working. Portis wore down and started getting injured, the OL started getting injured. Does he really think Zorn did not want to run the ball? When it's not working you need to go away from it and try and win the game. There was not one game this season where the run was working and Zorn went away from it. Portis seems more interested in his stats then winning games.
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Old 01-09-2009, 10:36 AM   #19
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Complaining about personal stats = non-team player/cancer/non-winner.

Skins will be better when he is gone
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Old 01-09-2009, 10:42 AM   #20
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I totally agree about CP and the locker room c-word. He's getting real close now. The problem is that CP knows DS will back him over JZ or any other coach. Hence the coach's authority in undermined. Had CP pulled this crap on almost any other team he'd be suspended at least and at worst looking for another team that wants his services. I seriously doubt the Eagles or Giants head coach would let CP shoot his mouth off like this without some serious repercussions but those head coaches know the owner will back them.

Like another post said, when you are down a couple scores in the second half, and your team has big problems scoring its hard to run the ball because it shortens the game too much to make a comeback possible. The coaches didnt go away from the run because they wanted to, they had to.
Well if thats the case how come Dallas put up with TO and the stuff he said over the season.
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Old 01-09-2009, 10:45 AM   #21
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This is old news, it was discussed ad-nauseum Monday when it happened. I'll restate my thoughts:

1. Portis is an idiot and becoming a locker room cancer.
2. That said, he's 100% correct. The reason we were so successful running the ball (and winning games) is because in the first half of the season, we were still using the Joe Gibbs running game. Starting 6-2 was -more than anything else- a carry-over from the system Joe Gibbs installed. The new passing game Zorn installed here was down right horrible. The one thing working for our offense was the running game -- and Zorn decided to start messing with it. Zorn is an idiot.

What does it all mean?

1.This is a 6-10 team (at best) next year.
2. Zorn will be fired.
3. Vinny will be fired. (He said in an interview Snyder was only giving he and Zorn two years to right the ship).
4. Next year, at this time, Synder will attempt to hire BIll Cowher to a 12-15M per year annual contract to be our head coach/team president/general manager. Unfortunately, He will probably be beat out by Jerry Jones. There is no logical reason for Jones to have not fired Wade Phillips by now - none. the only reason he still has a job is because Jones wants Cowher and is keeping the team intact until then.
5. If Snyder can't outbid Jones in landing Cowher, plan B will be to hire Mike Holmgren as our GM and Mike Shanahan as our Head coach. This is actually may be a better situation for the skins anyway. Shanahan/Holmgren live and breathe the WCO, so we wouldn't have to change to a brand new offensive system again. They are also offensive guys so they would probably be fine leaving the defensive system in tact - our team would have far greater continuity with a Holmgren/Shanahan combo than by bringing in anyone else.
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Old 01-09-2009, 10:46 AM   #22
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Portis is starting to annoy me a little. Sure he's a helluva RB but let's be honest here guys, he doesn't have the resume, leadership qualities or unique talent to pop off at the mouth as often as he does. Take us to the Super Bowl or zip it. I hate the 'shut up and play' mentality a lot of fans & media have towards players, but in some cases I sympathize!
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Old 01-09-2009, 10:53 AM   #23
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2. That said, he's 100% correct. The reason we were so successful running the ball (and winning games) is because in the first half of the season, we were still using the Joe Gibbs running game. Starting 6-2 was -more than anything else- a carry-over from the system Joe Gibbs installed. The new passing game Zorn installed here was down right horrible. The one thing working for our offense was the running game -- and Zorn decided to start messing with it. Zorn is an idiot.
We were using different blocking schemes right from the beginning. Day one. I don't know where you are getting this information, but it is wrong, and unless you can produce a link (in which case it would still be wrong, but at least you wouldn't be to blame), then I have to take you at face value: that you are making stuff up to support a case that you can't support with real evidence.

Nothing changed schematically at mid season. We shifted our ratio more towards the pass as the running game got less effective (which I personally attribute to injuries to Portis, Samuels, and Todd Yoder generally sucking).
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Old 01-09-2009, 11:00 AM   #24
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Bottom line, we faced better defenses the second half that shut down the run and forced us to pass. Zorn didn't shy away from the run for lack of trying. When you're down two scores in the 4th quarter, it sort of dictates that you will pass the ball more.
We also faced the Bengals and 49ers and lost, and had a small margin of victory against Seattle. All three of these teams do not have good defenses.
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Old 01-09-2009, 11:01 AM   #25
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first off i like portis alot. but he needs to keep his mouth shut to the media. i know i probably wouldnt have a job if i tried to tell my boss what was right and what was wrong. if anything keep it behind closed doors.
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Old 01-09-2009, 11:09 AM   #26
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what about jacobs?
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Old 01-09-2009, 11:12 AM   #27
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We also faced the Bengals and 49ers and lost, and had a small margin of victory against Seattle. All three of these teams do not have good defenses.
Well, you can't lump Seattle in with the others because we ran really effectively against Seattle. The other two, you know, our offense was a shell of itself, personnel wise. Mostly just Samuels, but Heyer gets lost so much trying to find who he's supposed to block in the running game that it's embarassing.
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Old 01-09-2009, 11:13 AM   #28
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Well if thats the case how come Dallas put up with TO and the stuff he said over the season.
I didnt say every team I said almost every other team and Dallas is one of the teams I feel is like the Skins when it comes to coach authority.

I guess if you want to know why Dallas puts up with TO you'd have to ask someone in the Dallas organization.
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Old 01-09-2009, 11:14 AM   #29
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I really think leadership is becoming an issue on this team, and I'm concerned that this will lead to discipline issues and our team in danger of becoming like the Bengals or the Cowboys, with a terrible locker room and players doing stupid things. The offense right now doesn't have a true leader, Campbell is a bit too young and his personal character is not of getting into someone's face. In a previous thread, someone brought up a good point of whether vets like Moss and ARE are mentoring the young receivers; which given at some of the comments made in the media about Devin Thomas (wanting to get away from football in the offseason, etc., etc.) it appears that this ain't happening. I think the defense has some potential leaders, like London Fletcher. Yet still you have situations with veterans like Shawn Springs, skipping OTAs and working out on his own (I'm not sure this happened last offseason, but it has in the past).

Sadly, this appears to be Clinton Portis' team, and the problem with that is that Portis is two outrageous comments from becoming a T.O. or a Chad Johnson. You'll see if many of the successful teams, there is an established veteran leadership among players (Brady in NE, Manning in Indy, Ray Lewis in Baltimore), I'm just not seeing that in our team. I fear that this leadership vacuum is going to cause the team to blow up if and when they have a losing season.
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Old 01-09-2009, 11:18 AM   #30
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This is old news, it was discussed ad-nauseum Monday when it happened. I'll restate my thoughts:

1. Portis is an idiot and becoming a locker room cancer.
2. That said, he's 100% correct. The reason we were so successful running the ball (and winning games) is because in the first half of the season, we were still using the Joe Gibbs running game. Starting 6-2 was -more than anything else- a carry-over from the system Joe Gibbs installed. The new passing game Zorn installed here was down right horrible. The one thing working for our offense was the running game -- and Zorn decided to start messing with it. Zorn is an idiot.

What does it all mean?

1.This is a 6-10 team (at best) next year.
2. Zorn will be fired.
3. Vinny will be fired. (He said in an interview Snyder was only giving he and Zorn two years to right the ship).
4. Next year, at this time, Synder will attempt to hire BIll Cowher to a 12-15M per year annual contract to be our head coach/team president/general manager. Unfortunately, He will probably be beat out by Jerry Jones. There is no logical reason for Jones to have not fired Wade Phillips by now - none. the only reason he still has a job is because Jones wants Cowher and is keeping the team intact until then.
5. If Snyder can't outbid Jones in landing Cowher, plan B will be to hire Mike Holmgren as our GM and Mike Shanahan as our Head coach. This is actually may be a better situation for the skins anyway. Shanahan/Holmgren live and breathe the WCO, so we wouldn't have to change to a brand new offensive system again. They are also offensive guys so they would probably be fine leaving the defensive system in tact - our team would have far greater continuity with a Holmgren/Shanahan combo than by bringing in anyone else.
Cowher will never come here and put up with DS's meddling and undermining his authority. I am starting to wonder what decent coach would want to come here (except for a big payday) if DS fires Zorn after only 2 years with a terribly flawed team. It could be the reason why Zorn was hired in the first place, DS realized that was the best he was going to do.
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