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SmootSmack · 01-09-2009, 11:19 AM

Portis gives 100% every Sunday when he's steps on the field, no matter how hurt he is and whether he has the ball. He never lets up from whistle to whistle. As far as on-field effort, you can't ask for more.

That said, even though he later apparently apologized for his comments, he needs to stop. Or someone needs to tell him to stop. Start fining him for appearing on the John Thompson show, or something like that. He's frustrated, we all get that. But he's not the only one on that team furstrated. He will do anything to win, that's great. But so will a lot of other people on that team.

And this really exposes Snyder's biggest weakness. I get that he wants to take care of his star, a lot of owners do that. But you have to separate the aura of being around famous football players with the responsibilities of being the boss. Snyder has a bad habit of trying to be one of the guys by bowing down to a player and giving them whatever they want, sometimes at the expense of the rest of the organization. He did it with Darrell Green, with Bruce Smith, and now he might be doing it with Portis. He needs to put his foot down.

As for the running game, from day one Zorn (I think it was him) had said that the season would start with the same running schemes of Gibbs/Bugel and gradually it would evolve to co-exist effectively with the WCO. So yeah things didn't stay the same throughout, though that was hardly as big an issue as I think Portis is making it out to be, but that was to be expected.

irish · 01-09-2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Portis gives 100% every Sunday when he's steps on the field, no matter how hurt he is and whether he has the ball. He never lets up from whistle to whistle. As far as on-field effort, you can't ask for more.

That said, even though he later apparently apologized for his comments, he needs to stop. Or someone needs to tell him to stop. Start fining him for appearing on the John Thompson show, or something like that. He's frustrated, we all get that. But he's not the only one on that team furstrated. He will do anything to win, that's great. But so will a lot of other people on that team.

And this really exposes Snyder's biggest weakness. I get that he wants to take care of his star, a lot of owners do that. But you have to separate the aura of being around famous football players with the responsibilities of being the boss. Snyder has a bad habit of trying to be one of the guys by bowing down to a player and giving them whatever they want, sometimes at the expense of the rest of the organization. He did it with Darrell Green, with Bruce Smith, and now he might be doing it with Portis. He needs to put his foot down.

As for the running game, from day one Zorn (I think it was him) had said that the season would start with the same running schemes of Gibbs/Bugel and gradually it would evolve to co-exist effectively with the WCO. So yeah things didn't stay the same throughout, though that was hardly as big an issue as I think Portis is making it out to be, but that was to be expected.

The problem is that DS sees himself as the boss of the players when in fact JZ is the boss of the players.

BigHairedAristocrat · 01-09-2009, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by irish

Cowher will never come here and put up with DS's meddling and undermining his authority. I am starting to wonder what decent coach would want to come here (except for a big payday) if DS fires Zorn after only 2 years with a terribly flawed team. It could be the reason why Zorn was hired in the first place, DS realized that was the best he was going to do.

Exactly, Zorn is a horrible coach. However, the main reason Snyder is the way he is is because he has Cerrato to act as his enabler. Snyder does meddle, but Cerrato has always been his yes-man. When Snyder fired Cerrato in the past, he stayed out of things. yes, it was only for a year, but Snyder has shown that he doesn't have to meddle... he just likes to and he Cerrato has always let him.

saden1 · 01-09-2009, 11:37 AM

Zorn's play calling the last half of the season was trash, he couldn't adjust his sweat pants let alone the Redskins offense. I hope he has learned how to adjust. Portis has a big mouth but he's not responsible for the 2-6 finish. That's all Zorn even if Portis was getting 3.5 yards per carry. You see the f'ing game plans against the Steelers, Ravens, Cowboys? Trash!!!!

Daseal · 01-09-2009, 11:42 AM

Hey Portis, SHUT UP! The offensive line rarely got you to the second level, and if they did -- you didn't break any tackles. The reason this offense sputtered is because our passing game was non-existent. Even if we threw a pass it seemed like it was off-target or it was dropped. Secondly, our play calling was starting to move back to the Gibbs era. Run, Run, Pass (short of the chains), Punt every series.

342 carries, 3rd in the NFL, and it wasn't enough? That was the reason for our collapse? Clinton Portis is really starting to bug me, and he's becoming a cancer. I wish Zorn would have dealt with him like Tomlin dealt with Tony Parker. The big issue is it's going to be a few years before we can part ways with him because of the contract.

irish · 01-09-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Exactly, Zorn is a horrible coach. However, the main reason Snyder is the way he is is because he has Cerrato to act as his enabler. Snyder does meddle, but Cerrato has always been his yes-man. When Snyder fired Cerrato in the past, he stayed out of things. yes, it was only for a year, but Snyder has shown that he doesn't have to meddle... he just likes to and he Cerrato has always let him.

I hear you and agree but I think the first time VC tells DS to go away he is gone and since VC likes his job he wont do that. DS should be smart enough to keep out of the football stuff but he wants to show he know as much as any of these football guys (even though he doesnt have a clue) and if by luck the Skins win a Super Bowl with DS as owner then DS can get up and crow about how he told VC to pick up this and that guy and how he was the real brains behind putting this team together. Unfortunately DS isnt smart enough to let the football guys do their stuff. It will be more luck than anything if the Skins win a championship with DS as owner because ultimately he's the true problem.

SmootSmack · 01-09-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Exactly, Zorn is a horrible coach. However, the main reason Snyder is the way he is is because he has Cerrato to act as his enabler. Snyder does meddle, but Cerrato has always been his yes-man. When Snyder fired Cerrato in the past, he stayed out of things. yes, it was only for a year, but Snyder has shown that he doesn't have to meddle... he just likes to and he Cerrato has always let him.

What is it that you do again?

BigHairedAristocrat · 01-09-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What is it that you do again?

I'm in risk management. I dont see how my profession is relevant though.

SmootSmack · 01-09-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I'm in risk management. I dont see how my profession is relevant though.

Like at a bank? That's pretty cool.

I was just curious. Sorry to go off-topic

firstdown · 01-09-2009, 12:25 PM

Well Portis did a follow up to this and said that the coach staff in the middle of the season just kind of blew off stump Mitchell and anything he tried to say or do in regards to the running game. I agree Portis should not air his difference in public but I don't think he said anything about the coaching staff that other player don't feel themself. Also the other players know that Portis come in each Sunday and gives 110% so I don't think they will get to down on him and what he says unless he starts calling out players by name. He also gave props to the line and other players and theses statement he made where more toward Zorn and the coaching staff.

BigHairedAristocrat · 01-09-2009, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Like at a bank? That's pretty cool.

I was just curious. Sorry to go off-topic

yeah, its definitely interesting.

BigHairedAristocrat · 01-09-2009, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 44ever

You know I hate to agree with Bighair because he comes of arrogant at times but, He might just be right on this one. Let's hope not.

It's almost like a split personality or somthing (Bighair)???

Sorry for coming off as arrogant. I guess i'm just opinionated. i'll work on it.

over the mountain · 01-09-2009, 12:33 PM

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EXACTLY....right and wrong DO NOT enter the equation......sadly CP does not get it. AND the John Thompson show is making a killing on his stupidity

im tellin ya, the JT show knows how to pull portis' strings and they are milking this cow for all its worth. they just keep asking him the same question with different language or approach and eventually Cp opens his mouth and just tells it like it is.

he needs to get off that show or atleast dont have him call in on his cell phone like hes just talkin to one of his boys. if he was in the studio i think he would have a better understanding that what he is saying is being broadcast for all to hear.

I kinda blame the JT show and Bmitch for using CP and his loose mouth to make their show cant miss radio. they know what they are doing, Cp doesnt.

go skins!!

Trample the Elderly · 01-09-2009, 12:57 PM

I have a love & hate thing with CP. I love it when he goes out there and plays his heart out. I hate it when he opens his mouth. This should be kept in the locker room, period. I think he should be fined and kept on a short leash. They have made him apologize when he said stupid things in the past. We'll have him for another year or two regardless. That's as long as he'll last anyway considering they put the weight of the world on his shoulders. We do have Ladel and Rock but barely use them anymore?
Clinton is a little dense though. He said he didn't make any mistakes. I wonder what all of those fumbled balls are called? If your reading this CP, I love you but please shut up.

Something else came to my mind. Do y'all remember all of the problems that the Giants were having? All of the mouthy little children pouting in the locker room had that team on its head. Guess what happened when they left? SUPER BOWL.

Slingin Sammy 33 · 01-09-2009, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

The problem is that CP knows DS will back him over JZ or any other coach. Hence the coach's authority in undermined. Had CP pulled this crap on almost any other team he'd be suspended at least and at worst looking for another team that wants his services. I seriously doubt the Eagles or Giants head coach would let CP shoot his mouth off like this without some serious repercussions but those head coaches know the owner will back them.

Agree 100%. Snyder needs to keep the chain of command intact. Snyder - Cerrato - Zorn - Asst Coaches - Players.

Nothing wrong with an open door policy to air complaints/issues if they haven't been addressed through the chain, but his "stargazing" should've stopped by now, he's owned the team for over 10 years. I'm sure in his other businesses he didn't let an employee or mid-level manager by-pass a senior manager or VP and come right to him. He needs to tell Cerrato & Zorn to talk to Portis and tell him to shut-up or he'll be fined/benched.

01-09-2009, 11:19 AM	#31
SmootSmack The Bluths Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,105	Re: More Portis Portis gives 100% every Sunday when he's steps on the field, no matter how hurt he is and whether he has the ball. He never lets up from whistle to whistle. As far as on-field effort, you can't ask for more. That said, even though he later apparently apologized for his comments, he needs to stop. Or someone needs to tell him to stop. Start fining him for appearing on the John Thompson show, or something like that. He's frustrated, we all get that. But he's not the only one on that team furstrated. He will do anything to win, that's great. But so will a lot of other people on that team. And this really exposes Snyder's biggest weakness. I get that he wants to take care of his star, a lot of owners do that. But you have to separate the aura of being around famous football players with the responsibilities of being the boss. Snyder has a bad habit of trying to be one of the guys by bowing down to a player and giving them whatever they want, sometimes at the expense of the rest of the organization. He did it with Darrell Green, with Bruce Smith, and now he might be doing it with Portis. He needs to put his foot down. As for the running game, from day one Zorn (I think it was him) had said that the season would start with the same running schemes of Gibbs/Bugel and gradually it would evolve to co-exist effectively with the WCO. So yeah things didn't stay the same throughout, though that was hardly as big an issue as I think Portis is making it out to be, but that was to be expected. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

01-09-2009, 11:37 AM	#34
saden1 Eternally Legendary Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 33 Posts: 9,738	Re: More Portis Zorn's play calling the last half of the season was trash, he couldn't adjust his sweat pants let alone the Redskins offense. I hope he has learned how to adjust. Portis has a big mouth but he's not responsible for the 2-6 finish. That's all Zorn even if Portis was getting 3.5 yards per carry. You see the f'ing game plans against the Steelers, Ravens, Cowboys? Trash!!!! __________________ RG3, RGIII, RG三, RG३, RGγʹ, RGג, RG٣, RG๓, RG..., RG셋, RGԳ!

01-09-2009, 11:42 AM	#35
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 8,058	Re: More Portis Hey Portis, SHUT UP! The offensive line rarely got you to the second level, and if they did -- you didn't break any tackles. The reason this offense sputtered is because our passing game was non-existent. Even if we threw a pass it seemed like it was off-target or it was dropped. Secondly, our play calling was starting to move back to the Gibbs era. Run, Run, Pass (short of the chains), Punt every series. 342 carries, 3rd in the NFL, and it wasn't enough? That was the reason for our collapse? Clinton Portis is really starting to bug me, and he's becoming a cancer. I wish Zorn would have dealt with him like Tomlin dealt with Tony Parker. The big issue is it's going to be a few years before we can part ways with him because of the contract. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

01-09-2009, 12:25 PM	#40
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 49 Posts: 15,206	Re: More Portis Well Portis did a follow up to this and said that the coach staff in the middle of the season just kind of blew off stump Mitchell and anything he tried to say or do in regards to the running game. I agree Portis should not air his difference in public but I don't think he said anything about the coaching staff that other player don't feel themself. Also the other players know that Portis come in each Sunday and gives 110% so I don't think they will get to down on him and what he says unless he starts calling out players by name. He also gave props to the line and other players and theses statement he made where more toward Zorn and the coaching staff.

01-09-2009, 12:57 PM	#44
Trample the Elderly Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Three Chopt Virginia Age: 35 Posts: 2,906	Re: More Portis I have a love & hate thing with CP. I love it when he goes out there and plays his heart out. I hate it when he opens his mouth. This should be kept in the locker room, period. I think he should be fined and kept on a short leash. They have made him apologize when he said stupid things in the past. We'll have him for another year or two regardless. That's as long as he'll last anyway considering they put the weight of the world on his shoulders. We do have Ladel and Rock but barely use them anymore? Clinton is a little dense though. He said he didn't make any mistakes. I wonder what all of those fumbled balls are called? If your reading this CP, I love you but please shut up. Something else came to my mind. Do y'all remember all of the problems that the Giants were having? All of the mouthy little children pouting in the locker room had that team on its head. Guess what happened when they left? SUPER BOWL.

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