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Old 01-13-2009, 05:56 PM   #46
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BTW, what are we talking here? "First ballot HoF", "will get in few years after eligibility", "will get in eventually?"
Hadn't really thought about that. Pick your poison.
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Old 01-13-2009, 06:21 PM   #47
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Warner has a great chance because he not only won a Superbowl (and counting) but also captured two MVP titles, which puts him in very elite company (I know Manning and Favre are the only players ever to win more than two). I think a Superbowl appearance this year would cement a spot in Canton for Warner.

McNabb is more difficult to evaluate. He captained some excellent teams and put up huge numbers but he choked in a lot of big games. He was never at any point in his career considered one of the best 3-5 players or even QB's in the league and, while he dominated QB play in the NFC for four years or so, it was during a time when the NFC was considered to be vastly inferior to the AFC. Throw in a 3 interception performance in the Superbowl - as well as a nerve-induced on field vomiting - and you have a borderline guy.

I think this year is huge for him. Nevertheless, McNabb is the kind of guy who could get in in 20 years even if he doesn't get in right away, because his numbers are going to age well.
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Aikman's numbers don't tell the whole story. He could have been a gunslinger in an offense that wasn't so run heavy. And at the end of the day 3 rings gets him in easily.
That's the difference between the Air Coryell and WCO, one is run heavy and the other pass heavy. Aikman was in the run heavy offense and so was Art Monk and unfortunately that's what delayed his entrance into the HOF because of the lack of "numbers". My feeling is that having "nice stats" is what gets people into the HOF which is a bunch of shit. If McNabb gets in, so should Theismann.
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Old 01-13-2009, 07:49 PM   #49
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mcnabb is not marino.
Doesn't have to be. Didn't Art Monk teach us that?
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Old 01-13-2009, 08:14 PM   #50
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That's the difference between the Air Coryell and WCO, one is run heavy and the other pass heavy. Aikman was in the run heavy offense and so was Art Monk and unfortunately that's what delayed his entrance into the HOF because of the lack of "numbers". My feeling is that having "nice stats" is what gets people into the HOF which is a bunch of shit. If McNabb gets in, so should Theismann.
My thoughts exactly! McNabb has been no better than Theismann...in my opinion. Imagine if Gibbs would have had Theismann longer. Warner's thumb injury definitely took years from him...otherwise I think he'd be a lock.
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Warner has a great chance because he not only won a Superbowl (and counting) but also captured two MVP titles, which puts him in very elite company (I know Manning and Favre are the only players ever to win more than two). I think a Superbowl appearance this year would cement a spot in Canton for Warner.

McNabb is more difficult to evaluate. He captained some excellent teams and put up huge numbers but he choked in a lot of big games. He was never at any point in his career considered one of the best 3-5 players or even QB's in the league and, while he dominated QB play in the NFC for four years or so, it was during a time when the NFC was considered to be vastly inferior to the AFC. Throw in a 3 interception performance in the Super bowl - as well as a nerve-induced on field vomiting - and you have a borderline guy.

I think this year is huge for him. Nevertheless, McNabb is the kind of guy who could get in in 20 years even if he doesn't get in right away, because his numbers are going to age well.

Oh so now a HOFer can't have a upset stomach?
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Old 01-13-2009, 09:07 PM   #52
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Yes, they're both worthy, on and off the field. I'd like to see McNabb in the HOF. He's a good guy, a good player, and even with no SB win, he's beaten back the nay-sayers.
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Old 01-14-2009, 03:47 AM   #53
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i dont think mcnabb is HOF at all.

I agree, Warner only if they win the big game.
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Old 01-14-2009, 09:03 AM   #54
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If Warner wins another SB he should absolutely get in first ballot. Don't forget that he will have a shorter NFL career because of his time in the NFLE and AFL.
McNabb is a great qb but not HOF.
Somebody mentioned Brady as a current HOF lock. I don't think he's in yet. If his knee doesn't heal enough for him to play in 09 or he comes back not as good then he might get forgotten at HOF induction time.
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Warner hasn't had a short career, he's been in the NFL 11 years now.
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Don't kid yourself, Brady is already a pretty sure thing. He's got 3 rings, 2 SB MVPs, 1 league MVP, and his numbers are impressive. 26,446 passing yards, 197 TDs, 86 INTs, 63% completions, 92.9 rating.
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I agree, Warner only if they win the big game.
Of course you would say that. Mcnabb and co. just sent youre Giants packin.
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That's the difference between the Air Coryell and WCO, one is run heavy and the other pass heavy. Aikman was in the run heavy offense and so was Art Monk and unfortunately that's what delayed his entrance into the HOF because of the lack of "numbers". My feeling is that having "nice stats" is what gets people into the HOF which is a bunch of shit. If McNabb gets in, so should Theismann.
Theismann in the HOF?? No way. IMO I think McNabb is a little better than JT. JT was a full time starter for about 7 1/2 to 8 years and 4 of those years he was about as average as it gets. And during those average years we never made the playoffs, he never made the team better or could not carry a team like McNabb does. 82, 83 and 84 were his best years and 3 good seasons doesn't get you in. In 85 when he broke his leg he was playing pretty bad and Gibbs refused to bench him. But maybe he'd get more of a look if we win that 83 SB cause he was the QB of one of the best offenses of all time.
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I saw enough of Aikman to tell me he was a damn good QB and much better than his numbers indicated. A bust? I really doubt that.
Aikman's first couple of years were pathetic and it wasn't until they drafted Smith and had probably the best offensive line ever in the NFL and Irvin that he put up just decent numbers. His best year over his carreer in most any category doesn't even break the top 100 all time. And his last 4 years when the team started breaking up were very average also. Take him off the Cowboys and put him in Detroit and my guess is most people wouldn't even know who he is today.

Of all teams we should know that you can make a QB look good with a great line and team around him. We have done it a few times.
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Don't kid yourself, Brady is already a pretty sure thing. He's got 3 rings, 2 SB MVPs, 1 league MVP, and his numbers are impressive. 26,446 passing yards, 197 TDs, 86 INTs, 63% completions, 92.9 rating.
I don't think there will much of a discussion in the selection committee regarding whether he gets in. He's as unanimous no questions asked HoF and rightly so.
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