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Old 11-11-2009, 01:17 PM   #136
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During the greatest stretch of his pro career, he had 8 TDs in 8 games. Stellar? Yawn. Despite his limitations, I'd actually like to see the Skins re-sign Campbell and use their first pick to draft a QB. They can re-build the O line with their other draft picks and via free agency. Maybe Campbell will step up like Drew Brees did when the Chargers drafted Philip Rivers.

We'd have a much improved JC and a rookie QB drafted in the top 10. Win-win!
I was thinking the same thing....JC is a servicable NFL quarterback, I still think he has potential even though my patience is wearing thin...he will never be great but definitely be good.

Its easy to say "replace JC" but who are we replacing him with?
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Old 11-11-2009, 02:37 PM   #137
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During the greatest stretch of his pro career, he had 8 TDs in 8 games. Stellar? Yawn. Despite his limitations, I'd actually like to see the Skins re-sign Campbell and use their first pick to draft a QB. They can re-build the O line with their other draft picks and via free agency. Maybe Campbell will step up like Drew Brees did when the Chargers drafted Philip Rivers.

We'd have a much improved JC and a rookie QB drafted in the top 10. Win-win!
I agree with this, however I would prefer for us to draft a LT in 1st round and then draft a QB in 2nd round (although my ideal is to draft offense linemen in first three drafts, 1st, 2nd, and 4th) but it is a fact that we need a QB.. I have always believed in Campbell, but just like some, my patience is wearing out thin now.. To be in win-win situation, we need to resign Campbell to maybe 1 or 2 years, and find a QB to compete for #1 spot..
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Old 11-11-2009, 03:22 PM   #138
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Why would JC want to come back?
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Old 11-11-2009, 04:12 PM   #139
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What gets me is that the kind of play we are getting out of Campbell thus far has been IDENTICAL to Mark Brunell during his final year as the starter.

He was blamed for not throwing the deep ball and always throwing the checkdown. Allegedly the line was horrible then too. It seems like for as long as i can remember, the redskins have had a horrible O-line.

Nobody is screaming bench Campbell, but they were screaming to bench Brunell when he did the same exact stuff. He actually had 8 TD's through 6 games in 2006, and when Jason had 1 TD per game, he was playing at a career level....go figure.
Really? Nobody has been screaming to bench Campbell?

I think the big difference there is that Brunell was seen as though he had passed his prime. Campbell on the other hand was supposed to be "taking the next step."
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Old 11-11-2009, 04:18 PM   #140
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JC wont be back either way. Noway he resigns even IF we offer him a new contract. I believe DS has grown tired of waiting for a return on his investment that he put into JC.
Who could blame him?
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Remember, if no cba is in place, JC becomes a restricted FA, he may hold out, but he probably will be back.
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Old 11-11-2009, 04:25 PM   #142
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you think the FO wants him back? they tried to trade him when he was under contract,what makes you think they will keep him now that he can leave on his own?
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we would have to sign the tender on JC in the first place... We are going to get an offensive minded coach and he will have the choice to bring in the QB that he likes because Vinny will be fired.
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Thats the dream, but we have been letdown before
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you think the FO wants him back? they tried to trade him when he was under contract,what makes you think they will keep him now that he can leave on his own?
I think they put a 3rd round tender on him, if another team wants him they let him go, otherwise he stays. He can't just leave on his own if he is a restricted free agent.
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Anyone else interested in promoting Andre Woodson from the practice squad? I liked him coming out of college but word from the Giants was he looked good in practice but lost sometimes in the preseason games. He had a 2nd round grade in early draft talk but had a poor combine and slipped to the 6th round. If Campbell keeps taking a beating he's not gonna last and we've seen what Todd can do. Should we get the youngster ready in case he's needed?
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I agree with this, however I would prefer for us to draft a LT in 1st round and then draft a QB in 2nd round (although my ideal is to draft offense linemen in first three drafts, 1st, 2nd, and 4th) but it is a fact that we need a QB.. I have always believed in Campbell, but just like some, my patience is wearing out thin now.. To be in win-win situation, we need to resign Campbell to maybe 1 or 2 years, and find a QB to compete for #1 spot..
2nd Round QB's have a horrible track record this past decade. If you want a QB in this league you either pick someone in the first or you hope like hell a late round guy pans out. The only 2nd round QB's that are succeeding in the league right now are Brett Farve (selected in 1992) and Drew Brees (Selected 32nd overall which today would be a 1st round pick).

Most of the time you see guys like Drew Stanton, Marques Tuiasosopo, Kevin Kolb, Kellen Clemons, Tarvaris Jackson, and Brian Brohm. Chad Henne might pan out but 2nd round QB's are even harder to turn into starters. Quincy Carter was also decent but Dallas couldn't wait to get rid of him after he failed a drug test and he never caught on again.

Anyway people can say what they want about first round QB's by they pan out a lot more frequently then their second round counterparts.
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2nd Round QB's have a horrible track record this past decade. If you want a QB in this league you either pick someone in the first or you hope like hell a late round guy pans out. The only 2nd round QB's that are succeeding in the league right now are Brett Farve (selected in 1992) and Drew Brees (Selected 32nd overall which today would be a 1st round pick).

Most of the time you see guys like Drew Stanton, Kevin Kolb, Kellen Clemons, Tarvaris Jackson, and Brian Brohm. Chad Henne might pan out but 2nd round QB's are even harder to turn into starters. Quincy Carter was also decent but Dallas couldn't wait to get rid of him after he failed a drug test and he never caught on again.
Ah I see, I wasn't aware of this track.. Well, I'm still sticking with drafting a LT in 1st round idea.. So I guess if I'm GM, I would resign Campbell and sign a best available free agent QB and let them compete.. I just don't see how can we not target a LT in 1st round, especially with our Ts situation.. We basically don't have a young healthy T that would step in if Samuels either retires or comes back then get hurt again.. And not to mention the fact that we don't have a clear cut RT neither..
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2nd Round QB's have a horrible track record this past decade. If you want a QB in this league you either pick someone in the first or you hope like hell a late round guy pans out. The only 2nd round QB's that are succeeding in the league right now are Brett Farve (selected in 1992) and Drew Brees (Selected 32nd overall which today would be a 1st round pick).

Most of the time you see guys like Drew Stanton, Marques Tuiasosopo, Kevin Kolb, Kellen Clemons, Tarvaris Jackson, and Brian Brohm. Chad Henne might pan out but 2nd round QB's are even harder to turn into starters. Quincy Carter was also decent but Dallas couldn't wait to get rid of him after he failed a drug test and he never caught on again.

Anyway people can say what they want about first round QB's by they pan out a lot more frequently then their second round counterparts.
while i agree for the most part qb's are deep this year in the draft and you could probably pick one up in the 2nd round this year, and kolb was pretty money the games he played this year, i wouldn't be surprised if he starts some where next year or goes some where where he has a chance to compete for the starting job
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while i agree for the most part qb's are deep this year in the draft and you could probably pick one up in the 2nd round this year, and kolb was pretty money the games he played this year, i wouldn't be surprised if he starts some where next year or goes some where where he has a chance to compete for the starting job
2nd Round QBs in the past 5 years:
2009 - Pat White
2008 - Chad Henne, Brian Brohm
2007 - Kevin Kolb, Drew Stanton
2006 - Kellen Clemens, Tavaris Jackson
2005 - None Taken
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