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Old 02-09-2009, 01:48 PM   #61
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What exactly is wrong with competiotion in camp. I see other guys arounfd the NFL come in and compete. JC should have to earn it. I would give Brennan at least the opportunity to compete for the job. Over all the QB situation in DC is lacking. It wouldn't be rehashed over and over and over if we had a competant QB.
Spell check man, spell check. Also, please don't completely ignore the terrible offensive line and how that can affect QB play. As I've said before, we could put a healthy Tom Brady behind our line, and he would still have the same production JC had last season.
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Old 02-09-2009, 01:52 PM   #62
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Spell check man, spell check. Also, please don't completely ignore the terrible offensive line and how that can affect QB play. As I've said before, we could put a healthy Tom Brady behind our line, and he would still have the same production JC had last season.
JC will never be Tom Brady!
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This is a pure speculative article. Opinion. Nothing more.

I think all would agree JC deserves to be our QB next year and a chance to improve even more. Now after next year, if he hasn't made any strides or has regressed the organization has a right to offer or not to offer him a contract.

As someone who is unsold on JC, I do really like the fact he works his butt off and has improved every offseason. I hope he does the same this year.
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JC will never be Tom Brady!
either will u but we dont feel the need to point that out now do we?
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I not impressed by the fact that he threw so few int's because he didnot throw very many TD's to go along with that. Look for the people who think he is a very good QB I'm not sure what you see at this point. For the people who think he should go or get benched I feel we need to give him one more year in this system. I think with either of these views JC's career here boils down to next year.
The low TD total goes back to the dropped passes. So many promising drives stalled out due to the WRs dropping passes on crucial downs. It's hard for the QB to get in a rhythm, much less put up numbers when he can't rely on his receivers and is getting poor protection.

I'm beginning to think some folks just aren't going to be happy no matter who is playing QB for us. Why is no one complaining about Portis' drop in production? Didn't that affect Campbell's ability to pass, or are we blaming Campbell for Portis drop off too? By no means am I complaining about him, it was a team effort to start 6-2 just like it was a team effort (or lack thereof) to go 2-6. The o-line's play directly correlates to the teams record in each half of the season. That's how it went down from where I was sitting.

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The low TD total goes back to the dropped passes. So many promising drives stalled out due to the WRs dropping passes on crucial downs. It's hard for the QB to get in a rhythm, much less put up numbers when he can't rely on his receivers and is getting poor protection.

I'm beginning to think some folks just aren't going to be happy no matter who is playing QB for us. Why is no one complaining about Portis' drop in production? Didn't that affect Campbell's ability to pass, or are we blaming Campbell for Portis drop off too? By no means am I complaining about him, it was a team effort to start 6-2 just like it was a team effort (or lack thereof) to go 2-6. The o-line's play directly correlates to the teams record in each half of the season. That's how it went down from where I was sitting.

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CP's drop came from the fact that in the 2nd half of the season the Skins were often behind and had to go away from the run and more to the pass. It didnt affect JC's ability to pass it affected his chance to succeed because he had a larger burden placed on him and he didnt deliver well enough.

I think the O line is very important but not totally critical for success as the Steelers didnt have a great O line but what they did have was a QB that could make and extend plays which lead to wins. The Skins didnt have that in their QB.
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The low TD total goes back to the dropped passes. So many promising drives stalled out due to the WRs dropping passes on crucial downs. It's hard for the QB to get in a rhythm, much less put up numbers when he can't rely on his receivers and is getting poor protection.

I'm beginning to think some folks just aren't going to be happy no matter who is playing QB for us. Why is no one complaining about Portis' drop in production? Didn't that affect Campbell's ability to pass, or are we blaming Campbell for Portis drop off too? By no means am I complaining about him, it was a team effort to start 6-2 just like it was a team effort (or lack thereof) to go 2-6. The o-line's play directly correlates to the teams record in each half of the season. That's how it went down from where I was sitting.

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Not sure where one could find the stat but I don't recall that many dropped passes this year. I do recall a few but not anything more then other teams.
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CP's drop came from the fact that in the 2nd half of the season the Skins were often behind and had to go away from the run and more to the pass. It didnt affect JC's ability to pass it affected his chance to succeed because he had a larger burden placed on him and he didnt deliver well enough.

I think the O line is very important but not totally critical for success as the Steelers didnt have a great O line but what they did have was a QB that could make and extend plays which lead to wins. The Skins didnt have that in their QB.
Ben is one of the best at evading the rush among ALL QB's. I think it also helped him having a receiving corps that knew their routes and did'nt give up on plays.
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Ben is one of the best at evading the rush among ALL QB's. I think it also helped him having a receiving corps that knew their routes and did'nt give up on plays.
I agree. His WRs arent the most talented (no more than the Skins WRs are) but they play with brains and intensity.
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I agree. His WRs arent the most talented (no more than the Skins WRs are) but they play with brains and intensity.
Something our receivers definitely lacked this year.
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Something our receivers definitely lacked this year.
I agree.
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Just a thought, but why have two 5+ page threads talking about the same thing. Why not merge them and label it "All things QB and all about JC".
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I think the O line is very important but not totally critical for success as the Steelers didnt have a great O line but what they did have was a QB that could make and extend plays which lead to wins. The Skins didnt have that in their QB.
I agree with the general point here. Ben's OL was terrible at the beginning of the year, and Ben's numbers were terrible. As the year went on, the line got better, and then Ben's numbers really came around. He had a very good postseason. Good points.
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Just a thought, but why have two 5+ page threads talking about the same thing. Why not merge them and label it "All things QB and all about JC".
Because that would make sense, and people still insist in voicing their opinion and make the point that QB is the sole reason we went 8-8.

Seriously though, you are correct, I think you can go back and pick out two or three more threads about the same subject.

By the way, kudos to redsk1 for this comment:

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I think all would agree JC deserves to be our QB next year and a chance to improve even more. Now after next year, if he hasn't made any strides or has regressed the organization has a right to offer or not to offer him a contract.

As someone who is unsold on JC, I do really like the fact he works his butt off and has improved every offseason. I hope he does the same this year.
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If Campbell remains the starter in 2009, there are really three possible scenarios to how this could all play out (as i see it).

1. Campbell Sucks. Whether its solely his fault or partly due to playcalling, poor o-line play, lack of effort from receivers, etc --the bottom line is, campbell doesnt perform well in 2009. At the end of the season, we obviously wont renew his contract and theres a very good chance Zorn is fired too, and we have to build from scratch in 2010 with a new coach, new system, and new QB.

2. Campbell plays extremely well; puts up great numbers and does everything asked of him. But since his contract is expired, he's going to be very very expensive to retain. We will pay through the nose for him and this will hurt our ability to address other areas of need.

3. Campbell plays extremely well and he signs somewhere else because we can't "show him the money." We lose campbell, get no compensation in return for him; and have to find a new starting QB.

if i'm missing something, please let me know, but those are the only realistic scenarios i can think of and none of None of them sound appealing to me. How can we avoid all of those unpleasant scenarios? Well, we have to do something NOW. There are two choices:

1. Trade Campbell. Ive discussed this issue and the benefits of it in the Byron Leftwich thread, and i'm not going to go into much detail there. Suffice to say, in this scenario we would go after a free agent QB with WCO experience to "hold down the fort" until Brennan became a viable option. In the trade, we would net atleast a 2nd round pick, which could be used on an offensive linemen to protect our new starter and help open lanes for Portis.

2. Sign Campbell to some sort of modest extension now. I'm thinking a 3-4 year extension that paid him above average starting QB money (6-8M/year?)if he remains the starting QB. Understandably, Campbell would want some security, so we could include a clause that allowed him to become an unrestricted free agent at the end of a season if he was no longer the starting QB. We could also included language that allowed him to become a free agent if he was elected to the pro-bowl or reached other performance incentives. A contract like this would be good for both Campbell and for the team. It would give him a dramatic pay increase in 2009 and beyond, as well as a garauntee that he could become a free agent if we (a) demoted him or (b) his performance dicated that he would make more money on the open market.

IMO we have to make some sort of decision about Campbell now, otherwise we are setting ourselves up for some sort of messy situation in 2010.
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