Updated: Evaluating the QB Situation (Discuss Campbell, Colt, etc)

freddyg12 · 02-09-2009, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

Couldn't disagree more w/ this. For one thing it ignores logic: Jason has improved against remarkable odds. From '07 to '08 the entire offensive system changed, and the o-line regressed significantly as evidenced in almost twice the number of sacks on Jason (especially considering he began to use his feet and make defenders miss this season it's pretty telling how much more he was sacked - the o-line was probably the worst in football by week 8). Through all that he markedly improved on fumbles, interceptions, footwork and decision-making. He is also tough as nails and becoming more of a threat w/ his legs.

... I don't mind defending Jason over and over again cause it just sharpens my thoughts on why he's our QB. Said it before and i'll say it again here: JC will be money in '09 if the FO/coaches do their job to upgrade the line. Drafting a franchise tackle is the first step and this appears to be a great year for them. Opening up competition on the interior between Jansen, Rinehart and Thomas is also important and if all else fails grab a stop-gap guy in FA if Jansen can't transition to guard and Rinehart still has sand in the vag.

Great post, I would add to it that Zorn didn't help JC much as the season went on by trying stubbornly to implement his wc offense on a team w/personel far too slow for it. Case in point, it was baffling to me that in the Pittsburgh game Zorn kept calling plays w/4 wr's & empty backfield. If your qb is getting killed, why do you not keep a rb in to help block, especially when you've got one of the best blocking backs in the nfl.

firstdown · 02-09-2009, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SkinzzFan

Why do you think Jason Campbell is incompetent? He was in a new offense and his numbers actually improved. He cut his turnovers down and in a new offense that's pretty impressive. If we want to blame anyone here, we should blame the receivers. They dropped so many passes this year it made me sick. I have no problem with competition either, but lets stop with this Colt Brennan love fest. He was third string behind a career backup. Yes Collins played great for us down the stretch last season but there's a reason he's been a backup for the majority of his career. Colt couldn't even beat him out for the backup job. I think JC is at a critical point in his development. He needs to concentrate solely on the playbook and improving his timing with our receivers. The last thing he needs at this point is to look over his shoulder.

HAIL!

I not impressed by the fact that he threw so few int's because he didnot throw very many TD's to go along with that. Look for the people who think he is a very good QB I'm not sure what you see at this point. For the people who think he should go or get benched I feel we need to give him one more year in this system. I think with either of these views JC's career here boils down to next year.

Ruhskins · 02-09-2009, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ridgely

What exactly is wrong with competiotion in camp. I see other guys arounfd the NFL come in and compete. JC should have to earn it. I would give Brennan at least the opportunity to compete for the job. Over all the QB situation in DC is lacking. It wouldn't be rehashed over and over and over if we had a competant QB.

Spell check man, spell check. Also, please don't completely ignore the terrible offensive line and how that can affect QB play. As I've said before, we could put a healthy Tom Brady behind our line, and he would still have the same production JC had last season.

Son Of Man · 02-09-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Spell check man, spell check. Also, please don't completely ignore the terrible offensive line and how that can affect QB play. As I've said before, we could put a healthy Tom Brady behind our line, and he would still have the same production JC had last season.

JC will never be Tom Brady!

redsk1 · 02-09-2009, 02:53 PM

This is a pure speculative article. Opinion. Nothing more.

I think all would agree JC deserves to be our QB next year and a chance to improve even more. Now after next year, if he hasn't made any strides or has regressed the organization has a right to offer or not to offer him a contract.

As someone who is unsold on JC, I do really like the fact he works his butt off and has improved every offseason. I hope he does the same this year.

Meks · 02-09-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Son Of Man

JC will never be Tom Brady!

either will u but we dont feel the need to point that out now do we?

SkinzzFan · 02-09-2009, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

I not impressed by the fact that he threw so few int's because he didnot throw very many TD's to go along with that. Look for the people who think he is a very good QB I'm not sure what you see at this point. For the people who think he should go or get benched I feel we need to give him one more year in this system. I think with either of these views JC's career here boils down to next year.

The low TD total goes back to the dropped passes. So many promising drives stalled out due to the WRs dropping passes on crucial downs. It's hard for the QB to get in a rhythm, much less put up numbers when he can't rely on his receivers and is getting poor protection.

I'm beginning to think some folks just aren't going to be happy no matter who is playing QB for us. Why is no one complaining about Portis' drop in production? Didn't that affect Campbell's ability to pass, or are we blaming Campbell for Portis drop off too? By no means am I complaining about him, it was a team effort to start 6-2 just like it was a team effort (or lack thereof) to go 2-6. The o-line's play directly correlates to the teams record in each half of the season. That's how it went down from where I was sitting.

HAIL!!

44ever · 02-09-2009, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Meks

either will u but we dont feel the need to point that out now do we?

Well, you kinda just did there Meks

irish · 02-09-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SkinzzFan

The low TD total goes back to the dropped passes. So many promising drives stalled out due to the WRs dropping passes on crucial downs. It's hard for the QB to get in a rhythm, much less put up numbers when he can't rely on his receivers and is getting poor protection.

I'm beginning to think some folks just aren't going to be happy no matter who is playing QB for us. Why is no one complaining about Portis' drop in production? Didn't that affect Campbell's ability to pass, or are we blaming Campbell for Portis drop off too? By no means am I complaining about him, it was a team effort to start 6-2 just like it was a team effort (or lack thereof) to go 2-6. The o-line's play directly correlates to the teams record in each half of the season. That's how it went down from where I was sitting.

HAIL!!

CP's drop came from the fact that in the 2nd half of the season the Skins were often behind and had to go away from the run and more to the pass. It didnt affect JC's ability to pass it affected his chance to succeed because he had a larger burden placed on him and he didnt deliver well enough.

I think the O line is very important but not totally critical for success as the Steelers didnt have a great O line but what they did have was a QB that could make and extend plays which lead to wins. The Skins didnt have that in their QB.

firstdown · 02-09-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SkinzzFan

The low TD total goes back to the dropped passes. So many promising drives stalled out due to the WRs dropping passes on crucial downs. It's hard for the QB to get in a rhythm, much less put up numbers when he can't rely on his receivers and is getting poor protection.

I'm beginning to think some folks just aren't going to be happy no matter who is playing QB for us. Why is no one complaining about Portis' drop in production? Didn't that affect Campbell's ability to pass, or are we blaming Campbell for Portis drop off too? By no means am I complaining about him, it was a team effort to start 6-2 just like it was a team effort (or lack thereof) to go 2-6. The o-line's play directly correlates to the teams record in each half of the season. That's how it went down from where I was sitting.

HAIL!!

Not sure where one could find the stat but I don't recall that many dropped passes this year. I do recall a few but not anything more then other teams.

53Fan · 02-09-2009, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

CP's drop came from the fact that in the 2nd half of the season the Skins were often behind and had to go away from the run and more to the pass. It didnt affect JC's ability to pass it affected his chance to succeed because he had a larger burden placed on him and he didnt deliver well enough.

I think the O line is very important but not totally critical for success as the Steelers didnt have a great O line but what they did have was a QB that could make and extend plays which lead to wins. The Skins didnt have that in their QB.

Ben is one of the best at evading the rush among ALL QB's. I think it also helped him having a receiving corps that knew their routes and did'nt give up on plays.

irish · 02-09-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 53Fan

Ben is one of the best at evading the rush among ALL QB's. I think it also helped him having a receiving corps that knew their routes and did'nt give up on plays.

I agree. His WRs arent the most talented (no more than the Skins WRs are) but they play with brains and intensity.

53Fan · 02-09-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

I agree. His WRs arent the most talented (no more than the Skins WRs are) but they play with brains and intensity.

Something our receivers definitely lacked this year.

irish · 02-09-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 53Fan

Something our receivers definitely lacked this year.

I agree.

KLHJ2 · 02-09-2009, 04:25 PM

Just a thought, but why have two 5+ page threads talking about the same thing. Why not merge them and label it "All things QB and all about JC".

02-09-2009, 02:53 PM	#80
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	re: Updated: Evaluating the QB Situation (Discuss Campbell, Colt, etc) This is a pure speculative article. Opinion. Nothing more. I think all would agree JC deserves to be our QB next year and a chance to improve even more. Now after next year, if he hasn't made any strides or has regressed the organization has a right to offer or not to offer him a contract. As someone who is unsold on JC, I do really like the fact he works his butt off and has improved every offseason. I hope he does the same this year.

02-09-2009, 04:25 PM	#90
KLHJ2 Inactive Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: DC Metro Area Age: 36 Posts: 5,829	re: Updated: Evaluating the QB Situation (Discuss Campbell, Colt, etc) Just a thought, but why have two 5+ page threads talking about the same thing. Why not merge them and label it "All things QB and all about JC".

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