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Old 02-10-2009, 08:56 PM   #91
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Old 02-10-2009, 08:59 PM   #92
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Old 02-10-2009, 09:00 PM   #93
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Zorn was horrid at play calling 70% of the time

O-line couldn't block my little sister and her friends.

recievers were sub-par, and that may be an over-statement.

we barely had a pass rush, jason taylor had one good game if that.

Moss should have been returning WAY more punts.

when the line was healthy, and not beat up, JC was doing fine.

he only got worse because of the line.... and..... every QB misses some throws, and miss open receivers when the coach is telling u to go elswhere with the play-call....

i hardly blame him at all.

i'd lay 20% of the blame on Campbell.

no more no less.
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Old 02-11-2009, 10:26 AM   #96
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Vinny needs to upgrade the O-line with a strong running game, to camouflage JC's deficiencies. That's what got us to 6-2 this past season. It wasn't anything that JC did that got us that 6-2 record, it was our O-line doing an excellent job of opening up holes for CP, in spite of JC's weak performance on the field. JC had a couple of excellent plays throughout the year, that's all. It was because of his lack of getting the ball down field and inability to score that made over 50% of those games...nail biters.
It was our Defense that won those games. It was the Defense that was mostly responsible for getting us that 6-2 record.
I hope JC at least learns to throw the ball down field more often and stops locking onto his primary receiver this off season. I don't care how many systems you have played in, that's something that should be second nature to him...jeez!
Oh well, it should be an interesting season next year but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for JC to be an NFL QB and Vinny to actually get it right...for once.
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Vinny needs to upgrade the O-line with a strong running game, to camouflage JC's deficiencies. That's what got us to 6-2 this past season. It wasn't anything that JC did that got us that 6-2 record, it was our O-line doing an excellent job of opening up holes for CP, in spite of JC's weak performance on the field. JC had a couple of excellent plays throughout the year, that's all. It was because of his lack of getting the ball down field and inability to score that made over 50% of those games...nail biters.
It was our Defense that won those games. It was the Defense that was mostly responsible for getting us that 6-2 record.
I hope JC at least learns to throw the ball down field more often and stops locking onto his primary receiver this off season. I don't care how many systems you have played in, that's something that should be second nature to him...jeez!
Oh well, it should be an interesting season next year but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for JC to be an NFL QB and Vinny to actually get it right...for once.
Right. 0 INTs and a QB rating hovering around 100 through 8 games had nothing to do with the 6-2 start. Hell, Jaws even had JC as his MVP up through that point of the season.
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I must have missed something. Why do we have two of the same blog on the boards?
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Vinny needs to upgrade the O-line with a strong running game, to camouflage JC's deficiencies. That's what got us to 6-2 this past season. It wasn't anything that JC did that got us that 6-2 record, it was our O-line doing an excellent job of opening up holes for CP, in spite of JC's weak performance on the field. JC had a couple of excellent plays throughout the year, that's all. It was because of his lack of getting the ball down field and inability to score that made over 50% of those games...nail biters.
It was our Defense that won those games. It was the Defense that was mostly responsible for getting us that 6-2 record.
I hope JC at least learns to throw the ball down field more often and stops locking onto his primary receiver this off season. I don't care how many systems you have played in, that's something that should be second nature to him...jeez!
Oh well, it should be an interesting season next year but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for JC to be an NFL QB and Vinny to actually get it right...for once.
Zorn has already pulled Campbell out of locking on.
They threw the ball down the field more during the first half, when pressure on Campbell was not heavy.
Zona game would not have been a nail biter if Heyer didn't get a penalty that negated a Devin Thomas TD.
Also, if it were all CP, why do I see plenty of pass plays being called and many of them resulting in successful completions along with an avg. greater than 7 yds during that stretch for Campbell?
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Vinny needs to upgrade the O-line with a strong running game, to camouflage JC's deficiencies. That's what got us to 6-2 this past season. It wasn't anything that JC did that got us that 6-2 record, it was our O-line doing an excellent job of opening up holes for CP, in spite of JC's weak performance on the field. JC had a couple of excellent plays throughout the year, that's all. It was because of his lack of getting the ball down field and inability to score that made over 50% of those games...nail biters.
It was our Defense that won those games. It was the Defense that was mostly responsible for getting us that 6-2 record.
I hope JC at least learns to throw the ball down field more often and stops locking onto his primary receiver this off season. I don't care how many systems you have played in, that's something that should be second nature to him...jeez!
Oh well, it should be an interesting season next year but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for JC to be an NFL QB and Vinny to actually get it right...for once.
See these are the typical negative rants that upset me. Here's my counterpoint to your rant

- JC had a stellar first half of the season, did not turn the ball over and during those first 8 games put up some very good numbers, he was among that top 10 rated QBs in the league.

- Actually I do agree with your statement about the team's inability to score, our red zone offense was horrible, and the offense did not put teams away. But I don't thin you can pin that on JC alone.

- JC did at times lock into a primary receiver, however there were times that our receivers could not get separation. JC didn't trust the rookies (not entirely his fault), and to be honest, I would have liked to have seen better production from Cooley.

Campbell needs to improve in his downfield attack, and hopefully having the rookies at full speed in camp will help develop some trust and confidence in them, allowing him to have more options. The Redskins are a run-first/pass-second team, however JC does need to develop into the type of QB that can win the game for us. Due to our good running game and our above average defense, I think we've asked the QBs to be game managers and not to go and win the game.

Honestly, I have yet to see you make anything that resembles a non-negative comment about the team. Not that you are required to make one or something, I just wonder if you have so little faith on the team and its players, why are you a fan?
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Moss should have been returning WAY more punts.

if thomas and kelly can step it up this season, then i see no reason to not make santana the permanent punt returner.
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if thomas and kelly can step it up this season, then i see no reason to not make santana the permanent punt returner.
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Anyway, S.Moss would be a lethal punt returner. But I agree with keeping him as a WR only. Seriously now -- Moss is our ONLY wide receiving threat. We kept Darrell Green healthy enough to retire at 42years old because we only used him sparingly as PR.

That being said, here's ARE's stats from last year:

Randel El: 6.5 yds/return last year, no TDs in THREE YEARS
He was 21st in return average


Perhaps it's not as bad as we think -- Devin Hester averaged 6.2yds in 2008. Anyway, I sure hope ONE of the new guys can return punts. It's simply sad that the coaches simply don't trust anyone else to field punts & not fumble them. I can't take another year of watching ARE jump around.
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Old 11-10-2009, 05:52 AM   #104
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See these are the typical negative rants that upset me. Here's my counterpoint to your rant

- JC had a stellar first half of the season, did not turn the ball over and during those first 8 games put up some very good numbers, he was among that top 10 rated QBs in the league.

- Actually I do agree with your statement about the team's inability to score, our red zone offense was horrible, and the offense did not put teams away. But I don't thin you can pin that on JC alone.

- JC did at times lock into a primary receiver, however there were times that our receivers could not get separation. JC didn't trust the rookies (not entirely his fault), and to be honest, I would have liked to have seen better production from Cooley.

Campbell needs to improve in his downfield attack, and hopefully having the rookies at full speed in camp will help develop some trust and confidence in them, allowing him to have more options. The Redskins are a run-first/pass-second team, however JC does need to develop into the type of QB that can win the game for us. Due to our good running game and our above average defense, I think we've asked the QBs to be game managers and not to go and win the game.

Honestly, I have yet to see you make anything that resembles a non-negative comment about the team. Not that you are required to make one or something, I just wonder if you have so little faith on the team and its players, why are you a fan?
During the greatest stretch of his pro career, he had 8 TDs in 8 games. Stellar? Yawn. Despite his limitations, I'd actually like to see the Skins re-sign Campbell and use their first pick to draft a QB. They can re-build the O line with their other draft picks and via free agency. Maybe Campbell will step up like Drew Brees did when the Chargers drafted Philip Rivers.

We'd have a much improved JC and a rookie QB drafted in the top 10. Win-win!
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Old 11-10-2009, 05:59 AM   #105
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Agreed, but don't undersell the fact that the solutions might be in house, which would result in a lightning quick turnaround if true.
I agree. The D is fine and would play much better if the O was half-way decent and actually gave the D the lead to play with every once in a while.

With better coaching and leadership, the Skins could be much improved with a better O line, Running back(s) and a new QB, although they could get by with JC for a few more years while they groom someone else. They could get this debacle turned around in a year or two.
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