Updated: Evaluating the QB Situation (Discuss Campbell, Colt, etc)

DBUCHANON101 · 11-11-2009, 03:25 PM

you think the FO wants him back? they tried to trade him when he was under contract,what makes you think they will keep him now that he can leave on his own?

diehardskin2982 · 11-11-2009, 03:27 PM

we would have to sign the tender on JC in the first place... We are going to get an offensive minded coach and he will have the choice to bring in the QB that he likes because Vinny will be fired.

DBUCHANON101 · 11-11-2009, 03:36 PM

Thats the dream, but we have been letdown before

CRedskinsRule · 11-11-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

you think the FO wants him back? they tried to trade him when he was under contract,what makes you think they will keep him now that he can leave on his own?

I think they put a 3rd round tender on him, if another team wants him they let him go, otherwise he stays. He can't just leave on his own if he is a restricted free agent.

Paintrain · 11-11-2009, 07:37 PM

Anyone else interested in promoting Andre Woodson from the practice squad? I liked him coming out of college but word from the Giants was he looked good in practice but lost sometimes in the preseason games. He had a 2nd round grade in early draft talk but had a poor combine and slipped to the 6th round. If Campbell keeps taking a beating he's not gonna last and we've seen what Todd can do. Should we get the youngster ready in case he's needed?

Dirtbag59 · 11-11-2009, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GridIron26

I agree with this, however I would prefer for us to draft a LT in 1st round and then draft a QB in 2nd round (although my ideal is to draft offense linemen in first three drafts, 1st, 2nd, and 4th) but it is a fact that we need a QB.. I have always believed in Campbell, but just like some, my patience is wearing out thin now.. To be in win-win situation, we need to resign Campbell to maybe 1 or 2 years, and find a QB to compete for #1 spot..

2nd Round QB's have a horrible track record this past decade. If you want a QB in this league you either pick someone in the first or you hope like hell a late round guy pans out. The only 2nd round QB's that are succeeding in the league right now are Brett Farve (selected in 1992) and Drew Brees (Selected 32nd overall which today would be a 1st round pick).

Most of the time you see guys like Drew Stanton, Marques Tuiasosopo, Kevin Kolb, Kellen Clemons, Tarvaris Jackson, and Brian Brohm. Chad Henne might pan out but 2nd round QB's are even harder to turn into starters. Quincy Carter was also decent but Dallas couldn't wait to get rid of him after he failed a drug test and he never caught on again.

Anyway people can say what they want about first round QB's by they pan out a lot more frequently then their second round counterparts.

GridIron26 · 11-11-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

2nd Round QB's have a horrible track record this past decade. If you want a QB in this league you either pick someone in the first or you hope like hell a late round guy pans out. The only 2nd round QB's that are succeeding in the league right now are Brett Farve (selected in 1992) and Drew Brees (Selected 32nd overall which today would be a 1st round pick).

Most of the time you see guys like Drew Stanton, Kevin Kolb, Kellen Clemons, Tarvaris Jackson, and Brian Brohm. Chad Henne might pan out but 2nd round QB's are even harder to turn into starters. Quincy Carter was also decent but Dallas couldn't wait to get rid of him after he failed a drug test and he never caught on again.

Ah I see, I wasn't aware of this track.. Well, I'm still sticking with drafting a LT in 1st round idea.. So I guess if I'm GM, I would resign Campbell and sign a best available free agent QB and let them compete.. I just don't see how can we not target a LT in 1st round, especially with our Ts situation.. We basically don't have a young healthy T that would step in if Samuels either retires or comes back then get hurt again.. And not to mention the fact that we don't have a clear cut RT neither..

mlmdub130 · 11-11-2009, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

2nd Round QB's have a horrible track record this past decade. If you want a QB in this league you either pick someone in the first or you hope like hell a late round guy pans out. The only 2nd round QB's that are succeeding in the league right now are Brett Farve (selected in 1992) and Drew Brees (Selected 32nd overall which today would be a 1st round pick).

Most of the time you see guys like Drew Stanton, Marques Tuiasosopo, Kevin Kolb, Kellen Clemons, Tarvaris Jackson, and Brian Brohm. Chad Henne might pan out but 2nd round QB's are even harder to turn into starters. Quincy Carter was also decent but Dallas couldn't wait to get rid of him after he failed a drug test and he never caught on again.

Anyway people can say what they want about first round QB's by they pan out a lot more frequently then their second round counterparts.

while i agree for the most part qb's are deep this year in the draft and you could probably pick one up in the 2nd round this year, and kolb was pretty money the games he played this year, i wouldn't be surprised if he starts some where next year or goes some where where he has a chance to compete for the starting job

Ruhskins · 11-11-2009, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mlmdub130

while i agree for the most part qb's are deep this year in the draft and you could probably pick one up in the 2nd round this year, and kolb was pretty money the games he played this year, i wouldn't be surprised if he starts some where next year or goes some where where he has a chance to compete for the starting job

2nd Round QBs in the past 5 years:
2009 - Pat White
2008 - Chad Henne, Brian Brohm
2007 - Kevin Kolb, Drew Stanton
2006 - Kellen Clemens, Tavaris Jackson
2005 - None Taken

DBUCHANON101 · 11-11-2009, 09:08 PM

I like Chad Henne, he has done ok considering his wrs dont do him any Justice. How many drops on a 1st down throw? Ginn has to step up and take the number 1 role. If not the Phins willbe in the market this offseason.

mlmdub130 · 11-11-2009, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

2nd Round QBs in the past 5 years:
2009 - Pat White
2008 - Chad Henne, Brian Brohm
2007 - Kevin Kolb, Drew Stanton
2006 - Kellen Clemens, Tavaris Jackson
2005 - None Taken

i still think this is one of the deepest group of qb's coming out in the past 5 years, there are probably 4 to 5 first rounders

Paintrain · 11-12-2009, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mlmdub130

i still think this is one of the deepest group of qb's coming out in the past 5 years, there are probably 4 to 5 first rounders

Huh? There are probably 4 to 5 first rounders that were drafted in the 2nd round and have done nothing of note? Please elaborate.

GTripp0012 · 11-12-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

Huh? There are probably 4 to 5 first rounders that were drafted in the 2nd round and have done nothing of note? Please elaborate.

Think he was talking about the upcoming draft.

mlmdub130 · 11-12-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Think he was talking about the upcoming draft.

yeah i am, they are saying mccoy could fall to mid second round right now, this will be a very stocked year as far as college qb prospects

Ruhskins · 11-12-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mlmdub130

yeah i am, they are saying mccoy could fall to mid second round right now, this will be a very stocked year as far as college qb prospects

Mel Kiper said this in his latest piece:

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In terms of his pro potential -- which is still significant -- I think the bigger issue is he's a really tough evaluation for NFL people. I'd compare him to a Jake Plummer. He doesn't have a big arm, he doesn't have a big body, he can run but he's not some kind of elite athlete. But he flat out won't blow anybody away in terms of what he does in workouts. He'll need to stand on what he's done on the field. That's a lot, but it might not be first-round material at this point.

I see McCoy as a second-round guy, which is a fine place to land for him -- also right where Plummer went. He's still on the Big Board because I think that highly of him, but we know quarterback is a position of need, so the draft will often be a different story.

11-11-2009, 03:25 PM	#121
DBUCHANON101 The Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,373	Re: Updated: Evaluating the QB Situation (Discuss Campbell, Colt, etc) you think the FO wants him back? they tried to trade him when he was under contract,what makes you think they will keep him now that he can leave on his own? __________________ But there's booze in the blender. And soon it will render. That frozen concoction that helps me hang on.

11-11-2009, 03:27 PM	#122
diehardskin2982 What will Shanny do this offseason? Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,925	Re: Updated: Evaluating the QB Situation (Discuss Campbell, Colt, etc) we would have to sign the tender on JC in the first place... We are going to get an offensive minded coach and he will have the choice to bring in the QB that he likes because Vinny will be fired. __________________ Let's win games now...PLEASE

11-11-2009, 03:36 PM	#123
DBUCHANON101 The Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,373	Re: Updated: Evaluating the QB Situation (Discuss Campbell, Colt, etc) Thats the dream, but we have been letdown before __________________ But there's booze in the blender. And soon it will render. That frozen concoction that helps me hang on.

11-11-2009, 07:37 PM	#125
Paintrain Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 42 Posts: 4,535	Re: Updated: Evaluating the QB Situation (Discuss Campbell, Colt, etc) Anyone else interested in promoting Andre Woodson from the practice squad? I liked him coming out of college but word from the Giants was he looked good in practice but lost sometimes in the preseason games. He had a 2nd round grade in early draft talk but had a poor combine and slipped to the 6th round. If Campbell keeps taking a beating he's not gonna last and we've seen what Todd can do. Should we get the youngster ready in case he's needed? __________________ No Pressure-No Diamonds! Go Catch Your Dreams!

11-11-2009, 09:08 PM	#130
DBUCHANON101 The Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,373	Re: Updated: Evaluating the QB Situation (Discuss Campbell, Colt, etc) I like Chad Henne, he has done ok considering his wrs dont do him any Justice. How many drops on a 1st down throw? Ginn has to step up and take the number 1 role. If not the Phins willbe in the market this offseason. __________________ But there's booze in the blender. And soon it will render. That frozen concoction that helps me hang on.

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