Seems like Cutler might be available.

SmootSmack · 03-16-2009, 12:06 PM

The Lions are the most common team being mentioned as a possible trade partner for the Broncos, but a lot of people here are buzzing about the Browns (which wouldn't make any sense, why would the Broncos trade him inside the conference?)

celts32 · 03-16-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

If that's the case, how many of Campbell's losses do you discount because of the defense or other factors? Does the Rams loss count against him (Kendall fumble at the end of the 1st half, deep pass with less than 2 mins leading to the game winning FG)? Does the Cowboys loss in '07 count against him (4 TD given up to T.O.)? Does the SF loss count against him (giving up a game winning drive with less than 2 mins)? How can you apply that standard to one JC and not the other JC?

I think a lot of the losses are not on JC. I already told you I am not bashing JC. I am not actively looking to replace JC at all. I just happen to love Cutler and if I can get Cutler I would do it. If I can't I am perfectly happy with JC as the starter. Thinking that Cutler is an upgrade over JC does not mean I hate JC.

SFREDSKIN · 03-16-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

It sounds to me like he is just trying to whine his way out of Denver b/c they dumped the coaches he liked.

Newsflash: Take off the pampers and be a man. If you think they treated you disrespectfully, show'em up with your play not your mouth.

I join the "not gonna happen" crowd. Even if it could, I wouldn't touch this whiner with a 10 foot pole.

There must something about Denver and Whiners. Remember when Elway was drafted by the then Baltimore Colts and he refused to play for them unless he was traded? He got his wish and was traded to the Broncos.

FRPLG · 03-16-2009, 12:08 PM

I am gonna base this post on the assumption that everything Cutler has said is basiaclly true. Only because Denver hasn't really contradicted it. First Cutler is a douche. This should have been handled internally. That being said I can't blame the guy for being pissed. First they fire his coach(I know "wah!!!") then they promise him they won't fire his OC and they do. Then they hire a guy who comes in and wants to dump his ass for another QB. Yes he should handle it internally but the Broncos should shut the hell up about him "being ateam leader". They aren't treaing him like a team leader. And the idiocy of the head coach big timing Cutler in the meeting takes the cake. As HC he needs to be cultivating relationships...not telling hi QB he would trade at any time if the deal was right. That's just dumb. I think they are all being wankers.

BigHairedAristocrat · 03-16-2009, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Buster

Nice to see the Colt Brennan talks are still alive and well on The Warpath.

I have full faith in Campbell that if given a competent O-Line, that he can be a great QB in this league for the Skins.

Doesn't matter who's taking the snaps with the lack of protection our line provided last season.

We need to keep him.

If Campbell appeared to be a failure half-way through the season, what reason would we have NOT to try Brennan?

53Fan · 03-16-2009, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The Lions are the most common team being mentioned as a possible trade partner for the Broncos, but a lot of people here are buzzing about the Browns (which wouldn't make any sense, why would the Broncos trade him inside the conference?)

For Brady Quinn maybe?

FRPLG · 03-16-2009, 12:13 PM

I wouldn't trade a player of Cutler's caliber within conference much less in division. Unless the deal was remarkable.

celts32 · 03-16-2009, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm not talking about ego, I'm talking about him being a jerk. There's a difference.

I have heard Rivers charicterized as a jerk more often then Cutler. And honestly I don't care...I think both are great. I am willing to accept some jerkiness or diva behavior if it comes along with a great QB. A jerk OL or a jerk WR...not so much but for a great QB I will put up with a little bit more.

I know Smootsmack said he was a jerk and maybe he has info I don't but the way he's acting now comes off more as a baby to me then a jerk. babies grow up but jerks never change.

Daseal · 03-16-2009, 12:27 PM

I'd trade Campbell and one of our mid round picks for Cutler in a heart beat. The way this is going, that deal may get accepted. I really don't see Cutler as a baby in this situation. Cutler has been at the Broncos facility all off season working on the new play book, working out, etc. He reportedly wanted to work out the deal on conference calls, etc. To me, it looks like the Bellichek asshole has rubbed off on McDaniels. This article by Mort is pretty good: Meeting with Josh McDaniels, GM backfires, Jay Cutler asks Denver Broncos for trade - ESPN

Big C · 03-16-2009, 12:40 PM

i dont see jason campbell as any more than an adequate starting qb. if we could wheel and deal reasonably for cutler that would be fantastic. i dont see it happening but campbell is nothing special, he should have shown more by now. we will see this upcoming season though, because like i said i dont see us aquiring cutler.

53Fan · 03-16-2009, 12:42 PM

Seems he skipped a charity dinner where he was a scheduled guest. Link would'nt post. He's not making himself look any better.

Daseal · 03-16-2009, 01:14 PM

53Fan -- he still donated a large sum of money to that charity.

celts32 · 03-16-2009, 02:06 PM

This JLC post seems to fit in with this thread:

Jay Cutler a Redskin?
Jay Cutler is the flavor of the day/week/month, so my inbox is now stuffed with inquiries about him. (Covering the Redskins is the football equivalent of covering the Yankees or Red Wings, with every player examined and debated for a possible roster spot on a daily basis.)

So now it's Cutler, eh? Well, my take on this is that the dude wants to get paid, period, whether it's in Denver or Winnipeg. And given the state of panic that Broncos owner Pal Bowlen appears to be in over this whole saga, and the fact he rivals Daniel Snyder when it comes to spending, I don't see this kid leaving town. Just my hunch for now. If/when he gets that Ben Roethlisberger contract, he's suddenly going to be drenched in orange and talking about his dream of being the next Elway and spending his career in Denver.

And the bottom line is that the Broncos don't have to do anything if they don't want to. The kid has three years left on his rookie contract, and if he wants to hold out, so be it. Somehow I don't see it getting to that point.

As for the Redskins, well, they've certainly made no long-term commitment to Jason Campbell; forget about getting him a new contract. And Vinny Cerrato won't even call him the quarterback of the future. So would I rule out the Redskins sniffing around on a Pro Bowl QB? Heck, I never rule anything out.

But finding a way to stuff in a $15-million-a-year quarterback and the inevitable $45 million or more in guarantees when you didn't have the cap room to squeeze in Ray Willis would be something. And, again, it's not like the Skins have any more significant restructuring candidates sitting around the locker room or high-salaried veterans they can just jettison.

It would take a bounty to meet Denver's asking price, were this whole drama to reach that stage. We're talking multiple first-round picks in all likelihood. And if Denver Coach Josh McDaniels is telling the truth about not wanting picks for Cutler in any hypothetical, and instead wanting players, that pretty much takes the Skins out of the running.

There are far too few true potential franchise QBs in the league, let alone young ones, to let them get away. You don't see guys who have put up Cutler's numbers being traded very often, and had he gone, it would have only been for another young QB whom McDaniels obviously believes is a budding superstar (Matt Cassel).

A lot of Redskins fans are suggesting the team simply package Jason Campbell for Cutler, but that seems farfetched. McDaniels made it pretty clear Cassel was his guy, and I think he clearly wants someone he can mold. JC has already been through a career's worth of system and coordinator changes. That's not exactly a blank slate.

GMScud · 03-16-2009, 02:30 PM

That's a solid post by JLC. We can bounce hypotheticals around all we want, but there is no way in hell Cutler will be a Redskin.

53Fan · 03-16-2009, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

53Fan -- he still donated a large sum of money to that charity.

I didn't realize that. They neglected to put that in the article I read. I guess he just didn't want to be there with people from Denvers FO. It's just a messed up situation.

03-16-2009, 12:06 PM	#136
SmootSmack Mad Men Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,102	Re: Seems like Cutler might be available. The Lions are the most common team being mentioned as a possible trade partner for the Broncos, but a lot of people here are buzzing about the Browns (which wouldn't make any sense, why would the Broncos trade him inside the conference?) __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

03-16-2009, 12:08 PM	#139
FRPLG Franchise Player Join Date: May 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 9,232	Re: Seems like Cutler might be available. I am gonna base this post on the assumption that everything Cutler has said is basiaclly true. Only because Denver hasn't really contradicted it. First Cutler is a douche. This should have been handled internally. That being said I can't blame the guy for being pissed. First they fire his coach(I know "wah!!!") then they promise him they won't fire his OC and they do. Then they hire a guy who comes in and wants to dump his ass for another QB. Yes he should handle it internally but the Broncos should shut the hell up about him "being ateam leader". They aren't treaing him like a team leader. And the idiocy of the head coach big timing Cutler in the meeting takes the cake. As HC he needs to be cultivating relationships...not telling hi QB he would trade at any time if the deal was right. That's just dumb. I think they are all being wankers.

03-16-2009, 12:13 PM	#142
FRPLG Franchise Player Join Date: May 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 9,232	Re: Seems like Cutler might be available. I wouldn't trade a player of Cutler's caliber within conference much less in division. Unless the deal was remarkable.

03-16-2009, 12:27 PM	#144
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 8,058	Re: Seems like Cutler might be available. I'd trade Campbell and one of our mid round picks for Cutler in a heart beat. The way this is going, that deal may get accepted. I really don't see Cutler as a baby in this situation. Cutler has been at the Broncos facility all off season working on the new play book, working out, etc. He reportedly wanted to work out the deal on conference calls, etc. To me, it looks like the Bellichek asshole has rubbed off on McDaniels. This article by Mort is pretty good: Meeting with Josh McDaniels, GM backfires, Jay Cutler asks Denver Broncos for trade - ESPN __________________ Best. Player. Available.

03-16-2009, 12:40 PM	#145
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Fairfax, Virginia Age: 27 Posts: 4,423	Re: Seems like Cutler might be available. i dont see jason campbell as any more than an adequate starting qb. if we could wheel and deal reasonably for cutler that would be fantastic. i dont see it happening but campbell is nothing special, he should have shown more by now. we will see this upcoming season though, because like i said i dont see us aquiring cutler. __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

03-16-2009, 12:42 PM	#146
53Fan Pro Bowl Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kill Devil Hills, N.C. Posts: 7,354	Re: Seems like Cutler might be available. Seems he skipped a charity dinner where he was a scheduled guest. Link would'nt post. He's not making himself look any better. __________________ "Cautiously And Optimistically... Looking Forward To Change"

03-16-2009, 01:14 PM	#147
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 8,058	Re: Seems like Cutler might be available. 53Fan -- he still donated a large sum of money to that charity. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

03-16-2009, 02:06 PM	#148
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 41 Posts: 2,643	Re: Seems like Cutler might be available. This JLC post seems to fit in with this thread: Jay Cutler a Redskin? Jay Cutler is the flavor of the day/week/month, so my inbox is now stuffed with inquiries about him. (Covering the Redskins is the football equivalent of covering the Yankees or Red Wings, with every player examined and debated for a possible roster spot on a daily basis.) So now it's Cutler, eh? Well, my take on this is that the dude wants to get paid, period, whether it's in Denver or Winnipeg. And given the state of panic that Broncos owner Pal Bowlen appears to be in over this whole saga, and the fact he rivals Daniel Snyder when it comes to spending, I don't see this kid leaving town. Just my hunch for now. If/when he gets that Ben Roethlisberger contract, he's suddenly going to be drenched in orange and talking about his dream of being the next Elway and spending his career in Denver. And the bottom line is that the Broncos don't have to do anything if they don't want to. The kid has three years left on his rookie contract, and if he wants to hold out, so be it. Somehow I don't see it getting to that point. As for the Redskins, well, they've certainly made no long-term commitment to Jason Campbell; forget about getting him a new contract. And Vinny Cerrato won't even call him the quarterback of the future. So would I rule out the Redskins sniffing around on a Pro Bowl QB? Heck, I never rule anything out. But finding a way to stuff in a $15-million-a-year quarterback and the inevitable $45 million or more in guarantees when you didn't have the cap room to squeeze in Ray Willis would be something. And, again, it's not like the Skins have any more significant restructuring candidates sitting around the locker room or high-salaried veterans they can just jettison. It would take a bounty to meet Denver's asking price, were this whole drama to reach that stage. We're talking multiple first-round picks in all likelihood. And if Denver Coach Josh McDaniels is telling the truth about not wanting picks for Cutler in any hypothetical, and instead wanting players, that pretty much takes the Skins out of the running. There are far too few true potential franchise QBs in the league, let alone young ones, to let them get away. You don't see guys who have put up Cutler's numbers being traded very often, and had he gone, it would have only been for another young QB whom McDaniels obviously believes is a budding superstar (Matt Cassel). A lot of Redskins fans are suggesting the team simply package Jason Campbell for Cutler, but that seems farfetched. McDaniels made it pretty clear Cassel was his guy, and I think he clearly wants someone he can mold. JC has already been through a career's worth of system and coordinator changes. That's not exactly a blank slate. __________________ Section 115 Row 23 “Goal line, goal line. I-left, tight wing, 70 chip on white.” http://victorybeer.com/

03-16-2009, 02:30 PM	#149
GMScud Swearinger Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Washington, DC Age: 34 Posts: 12,623	Re: Seems like Cutler might be available. That's a solid post by JLC. We can bounce hypotheticals around all we want, but there is no way in hell Cutler will be a Redskin. __________________ Insert witty signature here

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