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Old 03-16-2009, 07:32 PM   #151
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Re: Seems like Cutler might be available.

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That's a solid post by JLC. We can bounce hypotheticals around all we want, but there is no way in hell Cutler will be a Redskin.
JLC's not really the bastion of insider knowledge or insight. Remember he's the one who virtually swore up and down in every pre-free agency article that the Redskins wouldn't be in on Haynesworth. How did that work out for him.

Now I highly doubt the Redskins will be in on Cutler (thankfully) but he's pretty much the last guy I'd look to for insight to the Redskins thoughts and actions.
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Old 03-16-2009, 07:33 PM   #152
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Re: Seems like Cutler might be available.

absolutely a zero chance we are going to land cutler. we are doomed for jason campbell for the next year
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Old 03-17-2009, 11:00 AM   #153
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Re: Seems like Cutler might be available.

Ok, I give our first, third and JC, for Cutler. then I draft two Olinemen with 5 and 6.
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Old 03-17-2009, 11:04 AM   #154
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Ok, I give our first, third and JC, for Cutler. then I draft two Olinemen with 5 and 6.
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Old 03-17-2009, 11:21 AM   #155
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Ok, I give our first, third and JC, for Cutler. then I draft two Olinemen with 5 and 6.
Sounds like the old Dan Snyder until he learned his lesson.
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Old 03-17-2009, 11:50 AM   #156
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This JLC post seems to fit in with this thread:

Jay Cutler a Redskin?
Jay Cutler is the flavor of the day/week/month, so my inbox is now stuffed with inquiries about him. (Covering the Redskins is the football equivalent of covering the Yankees or Red Wings, with every player examined and debated for a possible roster spot on a daily basis.)

So now it's Cutler, eh? Well, my take on this is that the dude wants to get paid, period, whether it's in Denver or Winnipeg. And given the state of panic that Broncos owner Pal Bowlen appears to be in over this whole saga, and the fact he rivals Daniel Snyder when it comes to spending, I don't see this kid leaving town. Just my hunch for now. If/when he gets that Ben Roethlisberger contract, he's suddenly going to be drenched in orange and talking about his dream of being the next Elway and spending his career in Denver.

And the bottom line is that the Broncos don't have to do anything if they don't want to. The kid has three years left on his rookie contract, and if he wants to hold out, so be it. Somehow I don't see it getting to that point.

As for the Redskins, well, they've certainly made no long-term commitment to Jason Campbell; forget about getting him a new contract. And Vinny Cerrato won't even call him the quarterback of the future. So would I rule out the Redskins sniffing around on a Pro Bowl QB? Heck, I never rule anything out.

But finding a way to stuff in a $15-million-a-year quarterback and the inevitable $45 million or more in guarantees when you didn't have the cap room to squeeze in Ray Willis would be something. And, again, it's not like the Skins have any more significant restructuring candidates sitting around the locker room or high-salaried veterans they can just jettison.

It would take a bounty to meet Denver's asking price, were this whole drama to reach that stage. We're talking multiple first-round picks in all likelihood. And if Denver Coach Josh McDaniels is telling the truth about not wanting picks for Cutler in any hypothetical, and instead wanting players, that pretty much takes the Skins out of the running.

There are far too few true potential franchise QBs in the league, let alone young ones, to let them get away. You don't see guys who have put up Cutler's numbers being traded very often, and had he gone, it would have only been for another young QB whom McDaniels obviously believes is a budding superstar (Matt Cassel).

A lot of Redskins fans are suggesting the team simply package Jason Campbell for Cutler, but that seems farfetched. McDaniels made it pretty clear Cassel was his guy, and I think he clearly wants someone he can mold. JC has already been through a career's worth of system and coordinator changes. That's not exactly a blank slate.
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Old 03-17-2009, 11:51 AM   #157
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Re: Seems like Cutler might be available.

I haven't posted to this thread because I've not seen the point. Let me ask the pro-Cutler crowd something.

Why even discuss Cutler unless you think he'll take us over the top next year? Why bring him in to play when it's soup's contract year? You don't bench a QB on their contract year unless you have the man waiting behind him and Cutler isn't. If you want to bring in Cutler as backup then fine. I can see that. But he's acting like a little cry baby. If anything Denver should give us some draft picks just to take him off their hands. I'd rather have had Byron Leftwich as a back-up but that's beside the point.

We finally have a starting quarterback that we've drafted and developed. The year before last he was ho hum. It was his first year on the field and he wasn't able to finish the year. Last year he made a very good improvement and was leading the league for awhile in his QB ratings and in no interceptions. We finally have what we've been screaming about, a QB that is ours. This year is a contract year for him so we'll see the best he can do. He's got the offense or should. Plus he knows the offensive players and should be able to direct them according to their ability.

The QB isn't this team's problem, it's the O-line and special teams.

Besides, we don't need a QB that is any better than soup to win games. He's playing fine right now. Was Rype that good, was Doug? No, they were good to average guys on a good team that ran the ball effectively. I'd rather have a great O-line with an average QB than a great QB with an average O-line. I don't care how good of QB you have. If he gets his head buried in the field on every other down then his arm isn't going to be a factor.
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Old 03-17-2009, 11:58 AM   #158
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Of course the QB is important but I think it's safe to say it's a WHOLE lot more than the QB. Trent Dilfer has a SB ring, Dan Marino doesn't.
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Old 03-17-2009, 12:24 PM   #159
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Re: Seems like Cutler might be available.

I'm with sticking with J Campbell, but damn dude , throw the ball down field sometimes !
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JLC's not really the bastion of insider knowledge or insight. Remember he's the one who virtually swore up and down in every pre-free agency article that the Redskins wouldn't be in on Haynesworth. How did that work out for him.

Now I highly doubt the Redskins will be in on Cutler (thankfully) but he's pretty much the last guy I'd look to for insight to the Redskins thoughts and actions.
Believe me, I know. I don't really like JLC, nor do I find him very reliable. But I think he's right on with this one.
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I'm with sticking with J Campbell, but damn dude , throw the ball down field sometimes !
Hell yeah. If we don't, we're in trouble.
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Old 03-17-2009, 01:33 PM   #162
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Re: Seems like Cutler might be available.

The vibe i get from most posts here isn't necessarily that campbell sucks or not wanted but if the opportunity is out there to upgrade go for it. Does anyone here really believe Campbell is better then Cutler, or has a higher upside?
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Old 03-17-2009, 01:59 PM   #163
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The vibe i get from most posts here isn't necessarily that campbell sucks or not wanted but if the opportunity is out there to upgrade go for it. Does anyone here really believe Campbell is better then Cutler, or has a higher upside?
I honestly do. JC_R and JC_D have the basic same winning percentage.
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A quick Campbell/Cutler comparison-
JC (Jason Campbell)-36 starts, 16-20 W-L record, 35 TD, 23 INT, 80.4 QB rating

JC (Jay Cutler)-37 starts, 17-20 W-L record, 54 TD, 37 INT, 87.1 QB rating

Cutler has been in a much more passer friendly, aggressive offense for his starts that Campbell was. He also had elite level WR talent in Brandon Marshall and had Rod Smith for his first 21 starts. Add in an established offense and experienced coach/playcaller in Shanahan it's not hard to figure out why he shines a little brighter in the TD category.

Where it really matters however is in the W-L column. Cutler has never won anywhere, not in college, not in the pros. Is he really that much of an upgrade from Campbell?
I think this says it very well. I would add that JC_R has progressed every year, and this year should/could be a big step for him. yes I would rather keep the qb we have lived and died with, then bring another upstart in and watch as he gets the same results with a lot more whining, and not much winning.
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Ok, I give our first, third and JC, for Cutler. then I draft two Olinemen with 5 and 6.
It probably would never happen but I'd make that deal. Cutler is the better player hands down. He gets rid of the ball quicker, has a better release, seems to see the field better and is just as mobile. The guy is coming off a 4,500 yard 25 td season. Can we honestly say JC has the ability to acheive those type of numbers? I don't. I hope like hell he proves me wrong though.
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I honestly do. JC_R and JC_D have the basic same winning percentage.

I think this says it very well. I would add that JC_R has progressed every year, and this year should/could be a big step for him. yes I would rather keep the qb we have lived and died with, then bring another upstart in and watch as he gets the same results with a lot more whining, and not much winning.
Can Culter complete a pass in under 3 seconds?

If he can we should trade our 13th overall to Denver for Cutler and not address our OL needs.
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