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Old 03-11-2009, 10:48 AM   #76
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Amen. Thin-skinned is right. Kind of like the way he refuses to meet with his new head coach. It's a tough business, Jay. This probably won't be the first time your name is floated in a trade rumor. Grow up. I equate his behavior to a little kid throwing a tantrum by stomping his feet and putting his fingers in his ears. He comes off like a jerk.
I don't think Cutler is mad about having his name floated around in trade rumors. He's mad that McDaniels isn't being straight with him about it. I'm not sure why the owner gave a 32 year old HC w/ no HC experience the power to shop Cutler. The guy's been there a few months and has pissed off your franchise QB and hired Mike Nolan to run your defense. Not a real good start.
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I don't think Cutler is mad about having his name floated around in trade rumors. He's mad that McDaniels isn't being straight with him about it. I'm not sure why the owner gave a 32 year old HC w/ no HC experience the power to shop Cutler. The guy's been there a few months and has pissed off your franchise QB and hired Mike Nolan to run your defense. Not a real good start.
You don't hear me defending McDaniels. Whether McDaniels was right or wrong, Cutler handled it poorly and publicly. I could see a diva WR or RB mouthing off, but QBs are supposed to be steady leaders. Handle it in house, not through media outlets.
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Just say no to tossing away draft picks. Cutler is a very talented young QB but we already have our own young and talented QB, let's continue to develop him.
Absolutely. If JC gets some protection and is not being hit before he finished dropping back to pass, he can be a great NFL QB. (Uhh...that Pittsburgh game was so tough to watch for this reason)

Campbell also has a cannon for an arm and can run far better than Cutler. He's also a harder worker, better team guy and is actually dedicated to his job, unlike what Cutler is portraying. He'll end up the better QB at the end of their careers.

Jeff George had a "big arm" too...that alone doesn't make a good QB.
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Just say no to tossing away draft picks. Cutler is a very talented young QB but we already have our own young and talented QB, let's continue to develop him.
I am not a JC hater...you will not find one thread in which I bashed him. I just think Cutler is an elite talent and when someone like Cutler at his age becomes available I think you should do whatever it takes to get him. I know we won in the past without great QB's but in this era the teams that win 10+ games year in and year out all seem to have a franchise QB. I hope JC becomes a franchise QB but I think Cutler has shown enough to say that he already is one. I want him...and I would pay a steep price to get him.
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I am not a JC hater...you will not find one thread in which I bashed him. I just think Cutler is an elite talent and when someone like Cutler at his age becomes available I think you should do whatever it takes to get him. I know we won in the past without great QB's but in this era the teams that win 10+ games year in and year out all seem to have a franchise QB. I hope JC becomes a franchise QB but I think Cutler has shown enough to say that he already is one. I want him...and I would pay a steep price to get him.
Understood, but I never said anything about you being a hater.

I think 2 first rounders is too steep.
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Old 03-11-2009, 11:43 AM   #81
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I know you didn't...but there is a lot of JC hating going around and I just wanted to make it clear that my interest in getting Cutler is more about what I think of Cutler then it is about just getting rid of JC.

It is steep but when it comes down to it I would pay that price and maybe even more. The Redskins have not had a franchise QB since 1981...and when it comes down to it what are a few draft picks worth when compared to 10 years of great QB play?
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I know you didn't...but there is a lot of JC hating going around and I just wanted to make it clear that my interest in getting Cutler is more about what I think of Cutler then it is about just getting rid of JC.

It is steep but when it comes down to it I would pay that price and maybe even more. The Redskins have not had a franchise QB since 1981...and when it comes down to it what are a few draft picks worth when compared to 10 years of great QB play?
As much as I love Joe Theismann, he WAS NOT a franchise QB. I think the last truly great QB this town has seen was Sonny J.
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I am not a JC hater...you will not find one thread in which I bashed him. I just think Cutler is an elite talent and when someone like Cutler at his age becomes available I think you should do whatever it takes to get him. I know we won in the past without great QB's but in this era the teams that win 10+ games year in and year out all seem to have a franchise QB. I hope JC becomes a franchise QB but I think Cutler has shown enough to say that he already is one. I want him...and I would pay a steep price to get him.
I doubt Denver is that stupid to get rid of Cutler. If he and Josh McDaniels can't work it out I would fire JM before I trade Cutler. But let's say Denver asked us for JC and our number one pick for Cutler I'd make that deal in a second.
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I know you didn't...but there is a lot of JC hating going around and I just wanted to make it clear that my interest in getting Cutler is more about what I think of Cutler then it is about just getting rid of JC.

It is steep but when it comes down to it I would pay that price and maybe even more. The Redskins have not had a franchise QB since 1981...and when it comes down to it what are a few draft picks worth when compared to 10 years of great QB play?
And we think Vinny is crazy?

Yikes.
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And we think Vinny is crazy?

Yikes.
IMO Cutler is going to be great. When people talk about the best QB's in the league I think his name will come up quickly. Others may not think he's that good but assuming that is true...how many draft picks do you think that is worth? How many draft picks would you have payed for say Marino, Elway, Manning even McNabb as they were entering their prime? A player like this just doesn't become available. Teams just don't trade away potential franchise QB's in their early to mid 20's...they trade them at 30+ when they are used up...this situation is unheard of. More then 2 #1 picks seems crazy for just about any player in the league but not for a franchise QB entering his prime. The reason you think its crazy is because teams don't trade players like this so there is no president to fall back on.
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And we think Vinny is crazy?

Yikes.
I second your opinion Matty, why don't we just give away all our draft picks for this guy ...lol (vinnie looking smart compared to some of these posts we need to get young, not give away more picks)
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I second your opinion Matty, why don't we just give away all our draft picks for this guy ...lol (vinnie looking smart compared to some of these posts we need to get young, not give away more picks)
I would give them all and then some...in a second. And normally I never suggest trading draft picks...but this is a once in a lifetime opportunity. I think we all just have a difference of opinion on how good Cutler is going to be.
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And we think Vinny is crazy?

Yikes.
Do we all agree that if Cutler went back in this draft he would go #1 overall? And if you believe reports then Detroit has already offered this pick for him. Assuming we agree then that #1 pick has a value of 3000 points on the trading chart the NFL teams use. The Redskins pick #13...so I started from there. This is about what it would take to get to the 3000:

#13 = 1150 points
#14 = 1100 points
#23 = 760 points

You can argue if Cutler as a player is worth it and if it's the right move for the redskins...but teams have payed this steep price to go up and get players before. The Giants for instance payed a steep price for Eli a few years ago.
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You obviously place high value with Cutler, a QB who hasn't even won a playoff game in this league. If you're going to give up that much he better be a guy that leads you to multiple Super Bowls in the future. At this point I'm not ready to say he's that kind of guy.
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You obviously place high value with Cutler, a QB who hasn't even won a playoff game in this league. If you're going to give up that much he better be a guy that leads you to multiple Super Bowls in the future. At this point I'm not ready to say he's that kind of guy.
That's fair...and yes I do place that high value on Cutler. I think he is a QB that can lead a team to Super Bowls and if his team does not win Super Bowls I do not think it will be because of his play.
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