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Old 03-01-2009, 01:48 AM   #16
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Re: Will Haynesworth and Dockery be worth 3 wins?

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Didn't HB Blades do well at SLB last year?
He was decent but not a playmaker. We may be able to get bye w/ Blades if big Al stays healthy for a whole season but i think we need another legit starter just for depth. Very hard to pass on Rey M at 13 IMHO because of this situation; however Jason and the offense deserves a franchise tackle. This will be a the quandary going into the draft. I so wish we could free up more space to grab Willis cuz at least he's a mauler in the run game. Oh well.
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He was decent but not a playmaker. We may be able to get bye w/ Blades if big Al stays healthy for a whole season but i think we need another legit starter just for depth. Very hard to pass on Rey M at 13 IMHO because of this situation; however Jason and the offense deserves a franchise tackle. This will be a the quandary going into the draft. I so wish we could free up more space to grab Willis cuz at least he's a mauler in the run game. Oh well.
Blades biggest problem was probably pass coverage. He's more then fine against the run but covering a Tight End on a crossing route....he's just a liability at that point.
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Old 03-01-2009, 02:02 AM   #18
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Blades biggest problem was probably pass coverage. He's more then fine against the run but covering a Tight End on a crossing route....he's just a liability at that point.
Yeah cuz he's 5-10 and 250 friggin lbs. He's not an OLB period but may be a decent MLB in our system eventually. I think it would be a shame for us to have spent all this dough on d in the offseason but have a gaping hole at SLB that allows teams to exploit us all season. Would also be shame to waste JT's talent @ SLB. I keep coming back to the thought that we've got a shit-ton of talent on d right now but putting the pieces together will take some work.
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Old 03-01-2009, 03:43 AM   #19
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I think the one guy everyone is over looking is Portis. If we fail to go to a 2 back system this season. I think the odds are we will lose Portis to injury and it won't matter if we have AH or anyone else. But to get back on topic. I think AH = 2 more wins. For two reasons
1) field position
2) turn overs.
ditto that. if you fire randle-el from return duty and have AH giving you short fields, it should make jason's job a lot easier.
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Old 03-01-2009, 08:16 AM   #20
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No, the o line is still weak and they are protecting a QB that cant get the job done. The O averaged 16 ppg last year and swapping out 1 lineman IMO wont increase the points scored. Its the QB holding the O back and until that position is upgraded its gonna be the same old ineffective O.
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No, the o line is still weak and they are protecting a QB that cant get the job done. The O averaged 16 ppg last year and swapping out 1 lineman IMO wont increase the points scored. Its the QB holding the O back and until that position is upgraded its gonna be the same old ineffective O.
Yea, the key is still the O scoring more points. Dock will help but the O has to get more productive and effecient. No points, no wins.
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Old 03-01-2009, 08:51 AM   #22
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Rey M. would be nice, but Oline CANNOT be ignored in draft. OT at 13... unless the top tier is gone already.
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Old 03-01-2009, 11:22 AM   #23
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3 more wins? No. but I think the team is looking for more then simply 3 more wins. I like to think they were looking for someone who would be a difference maker and help us beat the Giants. Then they looked at the teams that made it to the play offs and realized that if we didn't beat them we came close. I think the FO saw the team as being very close to a SB team and wanted someone who would push the defense to the next level and that was Haynesworth.

As far as Dockery I think we got lucky. The team has not been happy about letting him go and having a hard time filling his role. The Bills screw up a trade deal and Dockery became a UFA. He kinda fell into our laps. I think the team knew we needed him and that he would enable us to pick up other spots in the draft.
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Old 03-04-2009, 01:06 AM   #24
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Wow, that all depends? I don't see Dockery being a huge difference. Kendall was good. I think Derrick will probably play only slightly better if anything than Pete, at best.

If he (Dockery) doesn't try to run in a recovered ball then there's one win.

Now Haynesworth is another story. Like him or love him the man is a stud DT. Since our D wasn't that bad to begin with, having him there might be the difference. Being able to stuff Jacobs and Barber will make us more competitive against the NFC East. Will that result in a win?

We play the Bucs, Panthers, and Chargers this year. With him there we can help stop their run game.

If he stays healthy and performs, he make us stronger against good teams and helps the D smother the bad ones like Oakland and Detroit. I think he'll lead more forced throws leading to interceptions.

Will he and Dockery lead to three games? At the most, maybe two. Those two will be the easier teams that we should beat anyway. Wins will be on the O not the D.

Then again if we make teams one dimensional we should be able to win three more games maybe more. (Low 9-7 Mid 10-6 High 11-5)
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Old 03-04-2009, 06:44 AM   #25
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No, definitely not worth 3 wins. Our big issue last year was our offense, namely our scoring offense. In order to be successful I think we need to:
1. Have a much better offense inside the red zone.
2. Spell Portis. It happens every year, we beat the hell out of Portis, then late in the year he's dead. Split carries early and often.
3. AH staying healthy. He will not play 16 games. Get that out of your mind now, but hopefully he can play his 14. Here are AH's numbers for his entire career (most recent first)(14, 13, 11, 14, 10, 12, 16. Those are games played, too. Not games started.)
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I think last season AH(assuming he was not hurt in these games) alone would have been worth 3 wins:
the St. Louis game - because there is no way the last hail mary that set up the field goal gets thrown
the 2nd Dallas game- where they ran it down our throat in the fourth qtr.
apply the above rational to the SF game.

As for next year. only time will tell.
(I think Dockery only keeps us at a level, assuming Kendall would decline with age this year)
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No, definitely not worth 3 wins. Our big issue last year was our offense, namely our scoring offense. In order to be successful I think we need to:
1. Have a much better offense inside the red zone.
2. Spell Portis. It happens every year, we beat the hell out of Portis, then late in the year he's dead. Split carries early and often.
3. AH staying healthy. He will not play 16 games. Get that out of your mind now, but hopefully he can play his 14. Here are AH's numbers for his entire career (most recent first)(14, 13, 11, 14, 10, 12, 16. Those are games played, too. Not games started.)
well, on AH - if the team doubles its sack count and get a few more ints, you'll have shorter fields to help the offensive scoring...

not saying the O can just show up and win without some work, but it should be easier.
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Old 03-06-2009, 11:09 PM   #28
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When you figure we (shamefully) lost to Cincinnati, St. Louis, and San Francisco, I'd say, yes, Haynesworth and Dockery are worth three wins. Both players are big maulers that will limit and prolong offensive drives respectively. I do think Betts or someone else needs to step up (10-15 carries at 4 yds/rush) to take some of the load off CP. And Kelly and Thomas need to become reliable wr's. Santana can be explosive but teams figured out how to shut him down and the passing game suffered for it.
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Old 03-06-2009, 11:47 PM   #29
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If our two young WR end up being busts it won't matter much how Dockery performs. Haynesworth is good for a win or two by himself if he indeed gives us what he gave the Titans. Still, outside of Moss, our WR corp is rather pathetic. The one guy in the TO thread threw out how Holt wants out of St Louis. Holt might be worth pursuing. Thrash sucks, ARE is overrated, and the youngsters just might end up being busts. I would consider trading ARE to St. Louis for Holt.
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If our two young WR end up being busts it won't matter much how Dockery performs. Haynesworth is good for a win or two by himself if he indeed gives us what he gave the Titans. Still, outside of Moss, our WR corp is rather pathetic. The one guy in the TO thread threw out how Holt wants out of St Louis. Holt might be worth pursuing. Thrash sucks, ARE is overrated, and the youngsters just might end up being busts. I would consider trading ARE to St. Louis for Holt.
I think you're being too pessimistic about the rookies and too premature to predict that they are going to be busts.
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