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Old 03-16-2009, 02:24 PM   #151
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Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?

What if you get someone like Oher who can be both an RT now, and probably slide to LT in a pinch?
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Old 03-16-2009, 02:32 PM   #152
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Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?

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What if you get someone like Oher who can be both an RT now, and probably slide to LT in a pinch?

Late first early 2nd, depending on the strength of the rest of the quality Tackles in the draft; if it's weaker you could take him in the early teens, but what do I know? I'm a dumbass so my official answer is round 1.5.
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Old 03-16-2009, 03:10 PM   #153
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I REALLY hope that doesn't happen. There are 2 things we've lacked for more than 20 years, a no doubt franchise QB and a pass rusher the offense has to account for on every down. We're not going to address QB in this draft since we may have the solution already in house but IF Maybin or Orapko is available we have to pull that trigger.

I wish our fanbase didn't have an obsession with OL and not discounting the need to upgrade if possible at RT but you don't draft RT in the 1st round, especially not in the teens! That's just madness. If you have good scouting and good coaching you should be able to get a RT in the 3rd round and have him starting on opening day.
Well, if we do our homework, we can get a scheme-effective LB in the third round, and could avoid paying top-half-of-first-round money to a guy who will probably be playing for a different coordinator in a different scheme in a year from the guy that's drafting him.

Orakpo is fine since he's scheme-adaptable and figures to take over for Andre Carter anyway, but would you really have Maybin over say, Michael Oher? Maybin is not even half the prospect Vernon Gholston was a year ago and the Jets are already trying to pull their pants up from that one.
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Well, if we do our homework, we can get a scheme-effective LB in the third round, and could avoid paying top-half-of-first-round money to a guy who will probably be playing for a different coordinator in a different scheme in a year from the guy that's drafting him.

Orakpo is fine since he's scheme-adaptable and figures to take over for Andre Carter anyway, but would you really have Maybin over say, Michael Oher? Maybin is not even half the prospect Vernon Gholston was a year ago and the Jets are already trying to pull their pants up from that one.
I've heard that some scouts aren't even sure if Maybin is an NFL player at all. He had one decent season as a redshirt sophomore and declared for the draft. Didn't we draft a guy a last year who only put up one college season worth mentioning? Isn't his name in the title of this thread?
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Old 03-16-2009, 03:21 PM   #155
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Maybin's kind of a mess, but he's just the type of fallback player the Skins might draft if all the players they are planning on targeting at No. 13 are gone. So that's where he's relevant.

The thing is, he'd probably have a nice rookie year as an OLB in this scheme. And then we'd never hear from him again. Well, except the time of the year when we're looking to cut salary.
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Well, if we do our homework, we can get a scheme-effective LB in the third round, and could avoid paying top-half-of-first-round money to a guy who will probably be playing for a different coordinator in a different scheme in a year from the guy that's drafting him.

Orakpo is fine since he's scheme-adaptable and figures to take over for Andre Carter anyway, but would you really have Maybin over say, Michael Oher? Maybin is not even half the prospect Vernon Gholston was a year ago and the Jets are already trying to pull their pants up from that one.
I'm the first one to admit that I don't watch college football at all. I read a lot of the analysis and watch a lot of the pre-draft coverage so my opinions on individual players coming out may not be the best based on what I've seen them do in games. I know the NFL game much better than college.

I do know however that our pass rush/DE/LB need is greater than our need at OT. Historically more RT are either early mid round (2-5) picks or guys who were drafted at LT but washed out and ended up at RT than guys drafted to be a LT of the future but start at RT. The last RT I recall being an early pick was Mike Williams in Buffalo and he was out of the league in 4 years I think.

At #13 I'm hoping we go for someone elite, a potential game changer. Maybin has (according to reports) a lightning quick first step, good closing ability and is serviceable against the run. Orapko seems like he's going to be similar to Carter, as you said, but with a little better run support. Honestly, I don't care if it's one of them, Everette Brown or any of the other top DE/LB, just as long as they get to the passer. We missed out on 2 elite pass rushers already this decade (Merriman & Ware) so hopefully we don't miss out again.
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The FO is damned if they do or damned if they don't. As Matty said, everyone thinks they can run the team better. All FOs are going to make bad decisions, and all teams are not going to be able to address everything or have quality starters at every single position. Even the mighty NE Patriots just gave up a 4th rounder for a guy (Greg Lewis) that's at best the 3rd best wideout, had mediocre numbers last season, and is pushing 30 yrs. old.

Now I think you're bringing up an issue (giving up picks for Taylor) that has nothing to do with what's being discussed. Yes, giving up a two draft picks (well I think of it as one pick, b/c the other pick is not that valuable) for Jason Taylor was a mistake, big deal, get over it, complaining about it is not going to bring those two picks back. The issue at hand is that people are complaining that our two WRs did not have Pro Bowl stats in their first year. Which is ridiculous to expect this, given that most players need time to develop. My whole point is, if you mention the words "let's build through the draft" don't turn around and rant that Kelly and Thomas need to be cut b/c they didn't produce their first year.
I've wasted at least 15 minutes reading this thread up til this post and you are the voice of reason.The off season sucks!!!
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Old 03-29-2009, 07:56 PM   #158
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I say you give them four years, they are recievers and recievers take time.
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