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Old 03-21-2009, 09:53 AM   #16
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huh, interesting. Seems like they say that what hurt us was lack of offensive plays from qb, and wide recivers, now why im not saying thats set by no means, but a lot of that has to do with our oline. It broke down through the year cuz of age. That why i hope the skins go online, preferbly RT with 13, soooo untill we can improve an aging line and give campbell the fair shake at things before he gets all the blame yet. lol yeah i know this is the evergoing disscusion on here, but hey it the truth!!!!....i hope...i really want campbell to succed
The Steelers OL sucked last season and Big Ben took a lot of hits but he also made a lot of plays when he had to make them, often with defenders all over him.

That's life for an NFL QB. Sometimes, he just needs to make a play, no matter what. I haven't seen much of that from JC. Actually, I think he's a piss-poor performer in the Red Zone. Yes, I know he needs help. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Again, sometimes an NFL QB just needs to make a play.

As much as I want JC to succeed, I'm glad this is his contract year and that he hasn't been extended. It's time for him to make his move if he's going to do it. Jason will either establish himself this season or you can bet the mortgage money that he'll be gone.
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Old 03-21-2009, 11:04 AM   #17
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The Redskins will look for an OT to fall to the 13th pick and will select him. Should no elite OT fall that far, They should take A. Mack at C. He can also play G as backup. They should trade some of their remaining picks to get a high second rounder and look to get OT Britton or Loadholt to solidify the o-line. Any QB, elite or not needs time to execute any play. Given adequate protection, Campbell could be a good QB. Our defense was in the top tiers last year so there is no need to further stack the deck on that side of the ball. Defense means nothing if the offense can't capitalize on the defenses production. As for a LB to round out the defense, go to free agency for a suitable backup. Remember, we are cap restrained, and have little wiggle room for trade down mass signings of players.
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Old 03-21-2009, 11:25 AM   #18
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The Steelers OL sucked last season and Big Ben took a lot of hits but he also made a lot of plays when he had to make them, often with defenders all over him.
His line certainly didn't play spectacular -- but many of Ben's sacks were his own fault. He held the ball forever. Sometimes that led to some big plays, sometimes it led to some weak play. The last thing I want Campbell doing is holding the ball forever.
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His line certainly didn't play spectacular -- but many of Ben's sacks were his own fault. He held the ball forever. Sometimes that led to some big plays, sometimes it led to some weak play. The last thing I want Campbell doing is holding the ball forever.
Why is it rarely brought up that he does hold the ball too often? Especially in the first Giants game (ugly loss) and in the last 4 games of the season when his confidence was shot. I'm not saying that the OLine is great, but they are average and they seem to do a good job run blocking.

I think that the upgrades on defense (provided we still get a solid OLB) will create more game-changing turnovers and shorter fields for the offense.
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Those guys were partially right, especially on the D hall signing. We could have kept Springs, brought in Leigh Bodden instead of signing Hall and had money to upgrade other positions that still haven't been addressed. Instead NE signed both of those guys, they win SB's because they know how pick good players at a reasonable price.
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Old 03-21-2009, 01:36 PM   #21
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Those guys were partially right, especially on the D hall signing. We could have kept Springs, brought in Leigh Bodden instead of signing Hall and had money to upgrade other positions that still haven't been addressed. Instead NE signed both of those guys, they win SB's because they know how pick good players at a reasonable price.
Why would we have wanted to keep Shawn Sprain?
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Why would we have wanted to keep Shawn Sprain?
I don't like DBs who get roasted over an open fire while stealing money from the team. I prefer the injury-prone corner who plays exceptional football when he can.

Plus Bodden would have been an excellent No. 2 corner AND he was only looking for a one year deal. Like, it would have been costless to get him here if we had just been willing to let DHall walk. And we'd still have Springs, who can still play when he's on the field.
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I don't like DBs who get roasted over an open fire while stealing money from the team. I prefer the injury-prone corner who plays exceptional football when he can.

Plus Bodden would have been an excellent No. 2 corner AND he was only looking for a one year deal. Like, it would have been costless to get him here if we had just been willing to let DHall walk. And we'd still have Springs, who can still play when he's on the field.
Couldn't have said it better myself!!
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I guess I'm one of the few in thinking we got a great deal with Hall. In fact paying him a high contract now will reduce the likelihood of a holdout down the road. Plus in a few years his contract is going to look like a bargain. They always do, I mean remember the numbers that Free Agents like Joey Porter and Justin Smiley got last season and compare them to our 2006 spending spree.
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Those guys were partially right, especially on the D hall signing. We could have kept Springs, brought in Leigh Bodden instead of signing Hall and had money to upgrade other positions that still haven't been addressed. Instead NE signed both of those guys, they win SB's because they know how pick good players at a reasonable price.
That makes sense. I guess we'll find out this year about Hall. All kinds of talent but I'm still not sure what we're getting going by his previous history.
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I guess I'm one of the few in thinking we got a great deal with Hall. In fact paying him a high contract now will reduce the likelihood of a holdout down the road. Plus in a few years his contract is going to look like a bargain. They always do, I mean remember the numbers that Free Agents like Joey Porter and Justin Smiley got last season and compare them to our 2006 spending spree.
The fact of the matter is that 2009 is Hall's age 25 season, which tends to be THE critical year for a Corner (it was CR's breakout half-year in 2007). So while, I can't back your assumption that the value of contracts is going to keep going up until the end of time (which implies the NFL product is not subjected to basic principles of marketing, or at the very least, hyper-inflation in the US within the next 2 years or so), we may very well see the Hall deal as fair market value if he continues to develop.

But it's absolutely not worth the risk that 8 months from now, if the Skins are 3-7 in November, we're counting down the years until we can rid ourselves of an albatross contract. Because if Hall regresses significantly in his 6th NFL season at age 25, I mean, that's it, he's officially a bust. And he's a bust who would be due 20+ million in guaranteed money over the next 6 seasons. This, in no uncertain terms, would be a franchise-ruining deal if he doesn't pan out.

The difference between his deal with the Raiders, and his deal with us, is that the Raiders were able to get away from him when they realized he wasn't worth it. We're just screwed if he goes the Oakland way.

A CB tandem of Smoot and Hall in 2010 would likely mean a bottom five pass defense. Hopefully, Rogers is still here, but if there's a salary cap, we could just be screwed on defense. And it's all because of a 6 week romance with the hot girl who simply isn't worth the time or money you'll invest in her.
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Old 03-21-2009, 03:55 PM   #27
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The bigger point is this: by giving that much money to Hall, the Redskins 100% definately lost Shawn Springs as a consequence. This is not debateable. Springs is not a Redskin because Hall is still a Redskin. Springs has been a much, much better corner than Hall in his career, but yes, he's getting to the age where his effectiveness will start declining. Age was a big factor in this decision, but there were plenty of FA options where the Skins could have had their cake, and ate it too. 25 is very young for a corner, but 27 years old offers the same sort of complement to the 34 year old Springs, and we could have gotten this sort of a young player with a stronger track record than Hall without any sort of long term commitment.

So, we got very much played by the Patriots in this deal, who were able to upgrade cheaply at a position of need (CB) by playing off our unreasonable expectations for Hall. Would they have made a play to sign Hall if we let him go? It's more than possible, but I'm pretty convinced that they were just bluffing.
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The bigger point is this: by giving that much money to Hall, the Redskins 100% definately lost Shawn Springs as a consequence. This is not debateable. Springs is not a Redskin because Hall is still a Redskin. Springs has been a much, much better corner than Hall in his career, but yes, he's getting to the age where his effectiveness will start declining. Age was a big factor in this decision, but there were plenty of FA options where the Skins could have had their cake, and ate it too. 25 is very young for a corner, but 27 years old offers the same sort of complement to the 34 year old Springs, and we could have gotten this sort of a young player with a stronger track record than Hall without any sort of long term commitment.

So, we got very much played by the Patriots in this deal, who were able to upgrade cheaply at a position of need (CB) by playing off our unreasonable expectations for Hall. Would they have made a play to sign Hall if we let him go? It's more than possible, but I'm pretty convinced that they were just bluffing.
Yeah, I'm sure the Pats will be saying that when Springs is out half the season.

On a different note, referring to some of the posts in here. Can't you people wait until the season begins until we start spelling doom on the team we're supposed to be rooting for?
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Yeah, I'm sure the Pats will be saying that when Springs is out half the season.

On a different note, referring to some of the posts in here. Can't you people wait until the season begins until we start spelling doom on the team we're supposed to be rooting for?
Yeah, but at least they didn't pay $54mil for a guy that could be a bust and got another player for a bargain price that could be back to his old form when he was with Cleveland. Time will tell.
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Yeah, but at least they didn't pay $54mil for a guy that could be a bust and got another player for a bargain price that could be back to his old form when he was with Cleveland. Time will tell.
Well like you said he could be a bust or he could be a great player. As a fan of the team I can only hope for the latter instead of bitching about the worst. As you said, time will tell and it is pointless right now to try to predict the future.
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