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Old 03-28-2009, 12:01 PM   #46
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True but it might make a difference for us not 3 and outing.. or getting to the 50 and having to punt... or in scoring position, being driven back out of FG range, etc

the offense still has to take advantage of the situation given

I agree with this. Against Pittsburgh, for example, our defense forced two TOs early on which gave the offense the ball at or inside the 50. What did the offense do? They had to settle for FGs. I don't care how dominant a defense is, you need an offense that is capable of scoring more than 10 points. After the midway point of the season 10 points a game was about all our offense could muster.
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Just in Six Flags haha.. I'm sure he went after it for the real estate value though
Despite popular belief Snyder is not the majority owner of six flags, that distinction belongs to one Bill Gates.
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I agree with this. Against Pittsburgh, for example, our defense forced two TOs early on which gave the offense the ball at or inside the 50. What did the offense do? They had to settle for FGs. I don't care how dominant a defense is, you need an offense that is capable of scoring more than 10 points. After the midway point of the season 10 points a game was about all our offense could muster.
F that was frustrating. I mean it's easy to get excited about our defense going into this season and forget about what the big problem was last year.
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We definitely still need to address the o-line. Just like the FO does, it's easy for us to get distracted. But if we don't have a chance to get one of the top guys on the o-line at 13, we might as well go defense or trade down. There are plenty of guys who should still be around later who can help us on the o-line. Just not to the same magnitude as a Mack or Oher.
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I am supposed to believe that Stephon Heyer is "unbeatable" if he can only get his technique down right?

If that is even close to correct, then Stephon Heyer must be as dumb as a sack of hammers if he knows what will make him "unbeatable" but can't bring himself to do it. Bending one's knees is not exactly a complex undertaking for most humans. In fact, most two year olds have that one mastered.

Don't waste a lot of time parsing the sentences here. Most of it off-season verbiage which is rarely if ever critically analytical.

Oh, and for the record, Doc Walker was the guy last year who was absolutely certain that Jason Taylor would be unstoppable because teams would have to pay special attention to Carter on the other side. During the off-season, Doc should put on a mini-skirt and brake out the pom-poms and do a little dancing...
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He also mentioned that Suisham is great inside the 40 but struggled outside the 40. Shaun apparently knows that and is working really hard to improve. VC also mentioned that Shaun did better with Frost as his holder instead of Brooks or Plack.

He didn't say it directly but he pretty much said Plack sucked.
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I am supposed to believe that Stephon Heyer is "unbeatable" if he can only get his technique down right?

If that is even close to correct, then Stephon Heyer must be as dumb as a sack of hammers if he knows what will make him "unbeatable" but can't bring himself to do it. Bending one's knees is not exactly a complex undertaking for most humans. In fact, most two year olds have that one mastered.

Don't waste a lot of time parsing the sentences here. Most of it off-season verbiage which is rarely if ever critically analytical.

Oh, and for the record, Doc Walker was the guy last year who was absolutely certain that Jason Taylor would be unstoppable because teams would have to pay special attention to Carter on the other side. During the off-season, Doc should put on a mini-skirt and brake out the pom-poms and do a little dancing...
Easier said than done. Heyer is a tall dude at 6'6 and he needs to play lower. Technique is all about creating muscle memory and often times it's easy to fall back on hold habits when you have a 275 pound guy in front of you trying to beat you around the corner or bull rush you into the backfield. He's still raw but he definitely has potential. I think that's the basic point VC was trying to make.
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I agree with this. Against Pittsburgh, for example, our defense forced two TOs early on which gave the offense the ball at or inside the 50. What did the offense do? They had to settle for FGs. I don't care how dominant a defense is, you need an offense that is capable of scoring more than 10 points. After the midway point of the season 10 points a game was about all our offense could muster.
Truth is though, if not for that blocked punt (a unit that sucked all year), we probably win or are at least in the game in the second half.

BHA pointed this out in another thread, but the general lethargy of the offense in the first quarter when game strategy is fairly neutral was terrible all season long. We always performed better later in the game than we did earlier in it, but whereas a healthy offensive unit led comebacks against New Orleans and Philadelphia (two very good teams), they failed to come back against the St. Louis', Pittsburgh's, Baltimore's, and Cincinnati's of the world.

There was a pretty clear line between the aptitude of this team in the second half of games drawn in the sand between Weeks 5 & 6, and then again between Weeks 14 & 15. What two events occurred during those two weeks?

1) In Week 5, Chris Samuels hurt his knee and was less effective from that point out the rest of the year.

2) In Week 14, Samuels tore his labrum and missed the rest of the year.

The season-long issue with sustaining offense was a receivers issue. But the ability that the team had early on in the year to put teams away and not turn the ball over appeared to be a line-based issue. As the line decline, those dominant fourth quarters turned to mediocre performances in losing efforts as we chased points against the best defenses in the league.

Bottom line: If we want a great offense, we need to rebuild the OL and have the Receivers develop. If we want to win close games, simply one or the other will suffice.
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Despite popular belief Snyder is not the majority owner of six flags, that distinction belongs to one Bill Gates.
Snyder owns about 12pct of six flags and if I'm not mistaken gates has about 11 or 11.5

Snyder has effective control over the company, but I don't see where your point aligns with my reason for him likely investing in it.
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I am supposed to believe that Stephon Heyer is "unbeatable" if he can only get his technique down right?

If that is even close to correct, then Stephon Heyer must be as dumb as a sack of hammers if he knows what will make him "unbeatable" but can't bring himself to do it. Bending one's knees is not exactly a complex undertaking for most humans. In fact, most two year olds have that one mastered.

Don't waste a lot of time parsing the sentences here. Most of it off-season verbiage which is rarely if ever critically analytical.

Oh, and for the record, Doc Walker was the guy last year who was absolutely certain that Jason Taylor would be unstoppable because teams would have to pay special attention to Carter on the other side. During the off-season, Doc should put on a mini-skirt and brake out the pom-poms and do a little dancing...
It's a quick game.. if you've done any sport ever then you'd realize that proper technique is something that takes a lot of drilling as your body will try to go with instinct first and it realllly takes a lot of work to make 100% technique override your instinct... if this weren't the case, ANYBODY of his stature could be a starting lineman, but it's not...
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Easier said than done. Heyer is a tall dude at 6'6 and he needs to play lower. Technique is all about creating muscle memory and often times it's easy to fall back on hold habits when you have a 275 pound guy in front of you trying to beat you around the corner or bull rush you into the backfield. He's still raw but he definitely has potential. I think that's the basic point VC was trying to make.
Right on the target; it's not easy to play Oline..

Just imagine this: if we draft one of top 4 T (maybe Oher?), and he develops into good or great T.. And if Heyers finally develops and become a good RT Then we would be set at Ts for years!
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Snyder owns about 12pct of six flags and if I'm not mistaken gates has about 11 or 11.5

Snyder has effective control over the company, but I don't see where your point aligns with my reason for him likely investing in it.
Snyder owns about 5 million shares, Gates' Investment arm owns around 10 million shares. But it's Snyder's team managing it
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Right on the target; it's not easy to play Oline..

Just imagine this: if we draft one of top 4 T (maybe Oher?), and he develops into good or great T.. And if Heyers finally develops and become a good RT Then we would be set at Ts for years!
So are we cutting Samuels? Here's why I think we're not looking OT at #13. We're good at LT with Samuels. We seem to be content letting Heyer enter camp as the starter at RT (which as I've said wouldn't be the end of the world) and I don't think we're really looking to draft a LT, move him to RT and then have to re-convert him to LT in 3 years. Seems more likely that we will go DE/LB and then draft a OL in the 3rd.
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Snyder owns about 12pct of six flags and if I'm not mistaken gates has about 11 or 11.5

Snyder has effective control over the company, but I don't see where your point aligns with my reason for him likely investing in it.
Most people believe he is the sole owner of six flags was just putting out the info. I only quoted you for the six flags reference. Smootsmack beat me with the numbers.
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Easier said than done. Heyer is a tall dude at 6'6 and he needs to play lower. Technique is all about creating muscle memory and often times it's easy to fall back on hold habits when you have a 275 pound guy in front of you trying to beat you around the corner or bull rush you into the backfield. He's still raw but he definitely has potential. I think that's the basic point VC was trying to make.

It's also a function of stamina. Fatigue leads to bad fundamentals AND mental errors.
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