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Old 09-21-2004, 09:28 PM   #16
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curmudgeon - their running game aint jamal or priest, but its not freaking garner or dallas either... their pass game is also better than TB, baltimore, jacksonville, etc IMO...

the first all around good offense we play is the packers... so we gotta go by what we see until then...
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Old 09-21-2004, 09:36 PM   #17
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The giants offense is ranked #11 overall in the NFL, I guess they're doing something right
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Old 09-21-2004, 09:38 PM   #18
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The Skins have allowed 92 yards rushing in two games, there's nobody even close to that ranking

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Old 09-21-2004, 10:01 PM   #19
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3rd down % is 15%, no one is close to that either (next closest is 22%)
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Old 09-21-2004, 10:01 PM   #20
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The reason I'm impressed with Gregg Williams is because he comes to the Redskins with an unconventional but successful program. The main reason our defense is executing is because the players are substituded based on the defensive schemes that Williams calls. He said, this not only keeps fresh legs thorughout the game but it keeps the offense confused. Williams's scheme rotates 4 to 5 LB's which is very successful because it stuffs the run and forces an opponent to rely on the pass. Keep it up Coach Williams.
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Old 09-21-2004, 10:04 PM   #21
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Against the Eagles on opening weekend, the Giants got so far behind that the Eagles started playing soft defense to prevent the big play about the middle of the 3rd quarter. That allows a lot of yardage to get built up in meaningless situations. The Giants were never in that game...

I believe that the Eagles' defense is now ranked 30th in the league after the Giants piled on yardage and the Vikes marched up and down the field between the 20s last night. Obviously, that is a team in a world of hurt, right? Or are we about to go off on a discussion about how the Skins' defense is so significantly better than the Eagles' defense that it isn't funny?

Yardage stats mean something when the yards matter. The trouble is that the league does not have that kind of stat available to the public so we tend to focus on averages without the context.
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Old 09-21-2004, 10:09 PM   #22
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at the end of the year, we'll play both the iggles and the vikes and it'll be a much better measure of relative defensive prowess or whatever you want to call it...
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Old 09-21-2004, 11:04 PM   #23
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The reason I'm impressed with Gregg Williams is because he comes to the Redskins with an unconventional but successful program. The main reason our defense is executing is because the players are substituded based on the defensive schemes that Williams calls. He said, this not only keeps fresh legs thorughout the game but it keeps the offense confused. Williams's scheme rotates 4 to 5 LB's which is very successful because it stuffs the run and forces an opponent to rely on the pass. Keep it up Coach Williams.
All fine points Sunra. I also like the fact that at the end of the Bucs game Williams didn't revert to a prevent defense. He closed the deal the way they'd been playing all day-with a blitz and a sack
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Old 09-22-2004, 07:05 AM   #24
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The Skins have allowed 92 yards rushing in two games, there's nobody even close to that ranking

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They put up like 400 yards against Philly or somthing like that. They just cant score ponits or stop anyone themselves.
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I understand yardage rankings and that there's always a story behind them, but the Giants offense isn't terrible anyway you look at it. Warner, Toomer, Hilliard, Shockey, Barber, you can't deny they have some weapons. You could do a lot worse than this group.
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Agreed

I also like the fact that at the end of the Bucs game Williams didn't revert to a prevent defense. He closed the deal the way they'd been playing all day-with a blitz and a sack[/QUOTE]

SmootSmack, I agree! I enjoyed that play!
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I think Dallas is better on offense than either team we've faced (not that they are stellar). It will be a bigger test. But we don't really face a great offense until Green Bay, I think. So we're in a decent position to have our D carry us through for a while, even if they aren't the reincarnation of Buddy Ryan's Chicago team.
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curmudgeon - their running game aint jamal or priest, but its not freaking garner or dallas either... their pass game is also better than TB, baltimore, jacksonville, etc IMO...

the first all around good offense we play is the packers... so we gotta go by what we see until then...
Yeah..tht powerhouse Packer offense that scored 10 points at home against the Bears Sunday...
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Yeah..tht powerhouse Packer offense that scored 10 points at home against the Bears Sunday...
at least we weren't the only team to totally choke

they got green and farve though... their receivers are no name, but he still threw 30 TD passes last year... the best offenses we face are the iggles and vikes, those are all kinda late into the season though... maybe TO and moss will be hurt by then...
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Old 09-22-2004, 09:32 PM   #30
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at least we weren't the only team to totally choke

they got green and farve though... their receivers are no name, but he still threw 30 TD passes last year... the best offenses we face are the iggles and vikes, those are all kinda late into the season though... maybe TO and moss will be hurt by then...
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IRVING Dallas Cowboys coach Bill Parcells says he never has coached a team that's been particularly penalty prone.


Penalty parade
The Cowboys have committed 20 penalties for a league-high 239 yards in their two games. Here's a list of the guilty parties:
Four
OT Flozell Adams: Three for holding, one for a false start, 35 yards
OT Torrin Tucker: Three for false starts, one for unnecessary roughness, 30 yards
Two
TE Jason Witten: One for holding, one for a false start, 15 yards
One
G Larry Allen: Holding, 10 yards

S Tony Dixon: Pass interference, 42 yards
DE Greg Ellis: Defensive offside, 5 yards
CB Pete Hunter: Pass interference, 5 yards
LB Bradie James: Roughing the passer, 15 yards
G Matt Lehr: Illegal block, 10 yards
P Mat McBriar: Intentional grounding, 22 yards
CB Terence Newman: Pass interference, 30 yards
LB Keith O'Neil: Illegal block, 10 yards
Team: Holding, 10 yards*
* Called on No. 30 on kickoff return in second quarter of Cleveland game. The Cowboys do not have a No. 30.

Two games into this season, it doesn't look like he'll be able to make that claim much longer.
The Cowboys (1-1) enter Monday night's game at Washington (1-1) with 20 penalties. Only Miami (21) has more, but the Dolphins have lost only 140 yards compared to the Cowboys' NFL-high 239.

San Francisco (0-2) and New England (2-0) also have 20 penalties each, but for far fewer yards.

The Cowboys had a league-high 11 penalties for 120 yards in their 19-12 victory over Cleveland on Sunday.

Parcells refuses to shoulder any of the blame for his team's undisciplined ways.

"Penalties are simple," he said. "It's concentration and good judgment. That's it. I don't coach penalties. You've got to blame the players for penalties. They're not paying attention or using good judgment."

One of the Cowboys' most disciplined players agreed.

"You just have to concentrate, man," defensive tackle La'Roi Glover said. "It comes down to focus, concentration and good judgment. It's as simple as that."

Offensive linemen Flozell Adams and Torrin Tucker are tied for the team lead with four penalties each. Adams, a Pro Bowl left tackle, has had two in each game.

"He needs to start paying attention," Parcells said. "The same goes for the rest of them."

Said Adams: "All you have to do is practice more and be more disciplined during the games."

The flags robbed the Cowboys of field position against the Browns and helped kill several drives inside Cleveland territory.

The offensive line was the biggest culprit. Penalties called on guards Larry Allen and Matt Lehr plus the two on Adams killed drives inside the Browns' 40-yard line and limited Dallas to three points on those four possessions.

"They're taking points off the board," Parcells said.

Veteran wide receiver Keyshawn Johnson was guilty of the same sin.

Late in the second quarter, the Cowboys reached the Browns' 12, thanks to an 18-yard reception by Terry Glenn on third-and-20. Although the play came up short of the needed yardage, Dallas would have gained a first down at the 6 with 1:50 left because Cleveland defensive back Earl Little was flagged for unnecessary roughness.


But then Johnson drew an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for kneeing Little. The penalties offset, leaving Dallas to kick a 30-yard field goal on fourth down.

Johnson's costly infraction also prevented the Cowboys from eating up more of the clock. With 1:35 left after the field goal and ensuing kickoff, the Browns marched 43 yards for a field goal to pull within 10-9 at halftime.

Johnson tried to explain himself to Parcells on the sideline, but the coach greeted him with an emphatic "Shut up."

"I know what he was trying to do," Parcells said. "He was trying not to get his teammate piled on like that. I understand that part of it. But, again, it just wasn't good judgment."

Said Johnson: "I can come up with a million excuses. But it's irrelevant. We won the game. We've moved on. I don't do stuff like that very often."


Glover said he was "pretty surprised" a veteran like Johnson would show such poor judgment.

"I don't think there is an excuse for it," Glover said. "He probably knows it. During the heat of battle, you get your juices flowing and you want to compete. I'm sure he regrets it.

"But the bottom line is we can't continue to put ourselves in those situations because it will catch up to you."



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