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Old 09-22-2004, 03:43 PM   #16
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Hogskin, Ramsey also came in the game when the team was in catch up mode and they were in obvious passing situations, at that point the running game was out the window and the Giants were coming after the QB hard.

If you check the tape you'll see Ramsey was absolutely swarmed at times and him not getting the ball out quickly enough really wasn't the issue.
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Old 09-22-2004, 03:49 PM   #17
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LOL, Curmudgeon!!! I had not thought about Babe in AGES. Now there was another guy the fans LOVED!!! But he also just could not get his game up to NFL standards. He (like Humphries, Green, and most of the others there) was certainly NOT runout of town by the fans. Shuler, George and Banks you could make a case for. BIGGGGG loss.

Even little Ralph Guglielmi and Eddie LeBaron were loved by the fans.
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Old 09-22-2004, 04:02 PM   #18
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Hogskin, Ramsey also came in the game when the team was in catch up mode and they were in obvious passing situations, at that point the running game was out the window and the Giants were coming after the QB hard.

If you check the tape you'll see Ramsey was absolutely swarmed at times and him not getting the ball out quickly enough really wasn't the issue.
Yes, I agree we were in catchup mode. But so were we throughout those 4 games we lost with TH at the helm and not being sacked 3 times a half - and with inferior blocking schemes. And it was not 3 vs. 7 step drops causing it this time. It just seems like there are constantly excuses made for Patrick. At some point he has to stop having excuses and perform. The only other explanation I can think of is that maybe the OL is not motivated to block for him. I HATE that thought, and really do not think that is the case.
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Old 09-22-2004, 04:22 PM   #19
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It just seems like there are constantly excuses made for Patrick. At some point he has to stop having excuses and perform.
Thank you, Hogskin. Those words, -- those two sentences -- sum up better than anything I've read so far regarding the case against Patrick Ramsey. At some point people have to wake up and realize that he may not be the savior we were all hoping for. And I used to be one of them. I've described Ramsey as a 'field general' with a laser cannon for an arm. He hasn't come close to the first description. The second may be accurate, but it doesn't amount for much when those lasers zip right into the hands of opposing defensive backs. Actually, a field general could be accurate if you consider guys like Custer at Little Big Horn, or maybe McClellan at Bull Run. But... I digress.

And can we please dispense with the notion that Steve Spurrier somehow "poisoned his mind" with the Fun-N-Gun? Ramsey had gaffes that no coach, not even Spurrier teaches. With all the preparation he's had with (The Saint) Joe Gibbs, you'd have thought that those are the plays we would never see again from Ramsey. That's telling.

One other thing worth mentioning: on the very last play against the Giants, Ramsey lined up against a 3 man line. Fittingly, the game ended on that play with a fumble that Ramsey recovered as time ran out. It points out a fundamental flaw that he hasn't been able to improve upon no matter who the coach is. I'm talking about pocket presence. He either ignores the heat around him, or doesn't have the ability as a quarterback to detect it. Say what you will about an offensive line that allows pressure from a 3 man defensive line, it's Ramsey's job to escape from that. Not saying he's got to be Steve Young or Randall Cunningham or anything. But for Pete's Sake man, get out of the way! Step up in the pocket! Friggin' Drew Bledsoe has more mobility.

Hopefully Ramsey doesn't turn out to be one of those Hot-Cold type of QBs -- you know, the ones that throw for 300 yards and 4 TDs one week, then turn around and throw 4 picks the next.

But perhaps it's far too early to assume Ramsey's a Hot-Cold QB just yet.

He has to get hot first.
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Old 09-22-2004, 04:31 PM   #20
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I say he needs the chance to get hot first. I'm not making excuses for him, I just want to see him get an honest shot before we ship him out and label him a bust.

If at this point next year he's still having the same problems, then I think it's time to start thinking that he's not going to be The One. For right now, he just doesn't have enough experience in Gibbs' system and in the league in general to write him off.

As for the fun 'n' gun poisoning him, I think it's a valid arguement that Ramsey has had to 'unlearn' Spurrier's offense, couple that with learning an entirely new one and of course he's struggling a bit.

Ramsey commented in camp that he's had to learn how to throw to spots before the WR makes his break. That's typical pro offense stuff, so it's safe to say that Spurrier's offense wasn't your typical pro offense.
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Old 09-22-2004, 04:47 PM   #21
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I say he needs the chance to get hot first. I'm not making excuses for him, I just want to see him get an honest shot before we ship him out and label him a bust.

If at this point next year he's still having the same problems, then I think it's time to start thinking that he's not going to be The One. For right now, he just doesn't have enough experience in Gibbs' system and in the league in general to write him off.
That sounds totally reasonable. Maybe I am jumping the gun - I get impatient when I don't see improvement in basic technique. The only time I remember giving up on a Redskin then getting surprised was quite a few years back with Barry Wilburn. BURN was the operative term in his first 2 years. He was horrible. I could not believe they were bringing him back. He turned out to have a couple (or few?) real good seasons. But like I said, that is the only one so far - I hope Ramsey makes a second. Nobody could have been pulling for him more in 2002 and the first half of 2003 than I was.

As far as your comments about Spurrier's system, I would agree if it were not such fundamental problems I see in him. But I just don't see how that has any bearing. He doesn't even have to do all that damned checking off at the line on every single play any more. LOL
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Old 09-22-2004, 05:10 PM   #22
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brad johnson did get a shitty deal as redskins qb,imo.i would have gotten rid of boy george everytime.trent green got caught between mr cooke's death and snyder buying the team did'nt he?as for all of turner's and marty's boys
banks,shuler,frerotte,graham,rosenfels.well enough said.i can never remember gibbs cutting a player,especially if he was stll able to contribute.he traded schroder for jim lachey,i think we got the better end of that deal.i have to say though,as of now or sunday.i have a whole lot more confidence in mark brunnel than i do in ramsey.ramsey looked like a monkey f###**G a football
out there sunday guys,there is no other way to put it.could his head have been any farther up his a**?the whole offense had an awful day,but his was one of legend.he needs to wake up and see that he is in the nfl.
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Old 09-22-2004, 06:11 PM   #23
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Big Red, why don't you tell us how you REALLY feel? LOL

BTW, good pic...
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Old 09-22-2004, 09:51 PM   #24
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Everyone likes Ramsey,
They say he's no mousey.
His play has been horsey,
But everyone wants his jersey.
I'm not ready for an odyssey,
Nor I'm I ready for a whimsey.
The Redskins need to be mosey,
But it ain't gonna happen with Ramsey
I say give him a kersey,
And be on the bench all cosey.
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Old 09-22-2004, 10:31 PM   #25
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Fools! All of you!

Have you forgotten that Saden is a monster?

I know better than to question his skillz. No idea what "I say give him a kersey" means but so what. Preach on Saden!
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Old 09-22-2004, 10:47 PM   #26
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kersey = a thrashing by J. Kearse i believe...
either way, i hope saden isn't a rapper, that's not quite mad skillz right there.
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Old 09-22-2004, 11:01 PM   #27
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You guys never heard of a Kersey Coat?

And no, I'm no rapper but I'd like to think I'm a poet with so-so skills Maybe I should post some of my other poetry here? Perhaps even start a weekly poetry column about our opponent that week? I'm feeling creative man. Creative I tell you!

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Old 09-22-2004, 11:07 PM   #28
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Fools! All of you!

Have you forgotten that Saden is a monster?

I know better than to question his skillz. No idea what "I say give him a kersey" means but so what. Preach on Saden!

Everytime I make a post that I disagree with Saden, this picture comes to mind. He'd whoop my ass lol.
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Old 09-22-2004, 11:08 PM   #29
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You know I thought it might be some sort of clothing. But no I've never heard of a kersey coat. Guess your rhymes are too smart for us Saden

Did you ever join the semi-pro team?
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Old 09-22-2004, 11:20 PM   #30
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I went to couple of their practice sessions but it was just too demanding. Not only that but you had to fork up $400 up front and have your own medical insurance. Guess what though, my company's health insurance doesn't cover you if you get hurt while playing in a "professional" league even if semi-professional. All they apparently see is the professional.
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