What must Jim Zorn accomplish this season to keep his job?

NYCskinfan82 · 05-12-2009, 05:35 PM

The team must look better offensively.

Brian Orakpo · 05-12-2009, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Guess that means Barry Switzer was a good coach using that criteria.

A lot of guys can be good coaches when all the pieces are in place. That's really not saying much for the coach's abilities.

With all that talent the Chargers are just 19-13 the last 2 years under Norv.

Norv has not been very good in San Diego imo but he is a better coach then most Redskin fans give credit for.

Looking back id love to see what Norv would of done if he wasnt canned in 2000 with a 7-6 record here in Washington. I think if things went different in 2000 and Snyder didnt stick his nose into the QB position we could have had a different outlook for the future. The Skins were 11-7 and 7-6 in Turners last 2 seasons in DC. I honestly think the Skins would of had a shot for a Championship over the next couple years if things panned out different.

I think Norv would be looked on as a better coach if it wasnt for one injury that cost the Redskins. That was when Brad Johnson hurt his knee on MNF vs the Tennessee Titans in 2000. He missed 3 games and when he came back he was rusty. After the Giants game where he was benched for George all hell broke lose. Snyder canned Turner because he wanted to start Brad Johnson the next game and I really believe if Turner wouldnt of been canned we might of won a Super Bowl instead of the Tampa Bay Bucs in 2002-03.

Those Redskin teams in 1999 and 2000 werent great but Norv got the most out of those teams and did one hell of a coaching job imo.

Paintrain · 05-12-2009, 07:14 PM

As for the Norv question, he's proven repeatedly since leaving DC what type of coach he is. Great coordinator, poor head coach. If anything, it should show you what his reputation is when Jerry Jones didn't hire him, even after courting him publicly, before he hired Phillips, not that the Phillips hire has turned out much better.

Back on topic, I think it all depends on how they finish. Another 6-2 start, 2-6 finish (or worse) and he's gone. Going 9-7 and missing the playoffs will keep him around. Anything above that and obviously he's going to stick around.

I'd expect, if a change is made, that Shanahan would be the frontrunner, followed by Gruden then Cowher. Snyder wants a high powered, high scoring, fun to watch offense. That's his motivation behind the Zorn hire, the Cutler & Sanchez chase and the fact we've drafted so many QB in his tenure as the owner.

an23dy · 05-12-2009, 07:27 PM

I think Zorn will get two more years. I don't really think he'll get fired next year unless he's 5-11 or worse. I think Jason Campbell can be the scapegoat if the offense doesn't improve. I don't believe that's the case, I think Campbell is real good and just hasn't had the pieces around him and the time to learn an offense in order to show what he can do. I hope we don't have to worry about any of this and I don't think we will because I think we will have a good season next year.

DBUCHANON101 · 05-12-2009, 07:39 PM

We are used to the high scoring offenses in D.C and if Zorn doesnt show that he can score points he wont last. I'd like to see us bring in a OC from S.D or N.O to run the offense. Especially one from S.D who is a 'Air Coryell' descendant ala Gibbs. maybe Dan Henning from Miami. I say N.O because they do more with less and lead the league in offense despite not having many big name WR's or a great Oline.

DBUCHANON101 · 05-12-2009, 08:03 PM

yeah a deep playoff run will save him. hopefully we can avoid the late season collapse like last yr. 12 pts a game wont cut it.

Paintrain · 05-12-2009, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Nflnick11

In order for zorn to keep his job he must get us a playoff birth and at least one playoff win, most likely two wins if he gets fired expect holmgren to be our next coach just to keep it with a familiar system

I'm surprised at the number of people who think that Synder is so impatient/impetuous that he would fire a coach that IMPROVED! No way Snyder fires Zorn coming off of a playoff year. If we get to the playoffs we're going to have to win at least 9 games. That would mean that Zorn's career record will be over .500. I don't see any scenario that Snyder can justify that firing.

DBUCHANON101 · 05-12-2009, 08:56 PM

hopefully the offense shows improvement and we wont have to worry about it. Thomas and Kelly need to break out this season.

skinsfan69 · 05-12-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Guess that means Barry Switzer was a good coach using that criteria.

A lot of guys can be good coaches when all the pieces are in place. That's really not saying much for the coach's abilities.

With all that talent the Chargers are just 19-13 the last 2 years under Norv.

What would you rather have.

A 13-3 season and not advance in the playoffs....like the 07 Cowboys? Or the 06 Chargers?

Or a 19-13 team that have advanced two years in a row. One year they're QB was playing on one leg and their best player was hurt, the next year they played w/out their best defensive player.

I'll take the team that advances every time. As I said, Norv has been solid in SD and his side of the ball has flourished.

franklinhimself · 05-12-2009, 09:35 PM

I believe a 10-6 record can get us into the playoffs. With our acquisitions we made in the offseason, plus second year in the Zorn system, Zorn-Campbell era really begins to stride. It'll happen, barring 2 or more long-term (4+ weeks) injuries on the O-line.

skinsfan69 · 05-12-2009, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

Norv has not been very good in San Diego imo but he is a better coach then most Redskin fans give credit for.

Looking back id love to see what Norv would of done if he wasnt canned in 2000 with a 7-6 record here in Washington. I think if things went different in 2000 and Snyder didnt stick his nose into the QB position we could have had a different outlook for the future. The Skins were 11-7 and 7-6 in Turners last 2 seasons in DC. I honestly think the Skins would of had a shot for a Championship over the next couple years if things panned out different.

I think Norv would be looked on as a better coach if it wasnt for one injury that cost the Redskins. That was when Brad Johnson hurt his knee on MNF vs the Tennessee Titans in 2000. He missed 3 games and when he came back he was rusty. After the Giants game where he was benched for George all hell broke lose. Snyder canned Turner because he wanted to start Brad Johnson the next game and I really believe if Turner wouldnt of been canned we might of won a Super Bowl instead of the Tampa Bay Bucs in 2002-03.

Those Redskin teams in 1999 and 2000 werent great but Norv got the most out of those teams and did one hell of a coaching job imo.

Although firing Turner w/ a 7-6 record was stupid as hell, I don't think the season would've finished much different and it was time for a change.

SmootSmack · 05-12-2009, 10:30 PM

Norv is barely scraping by in a division that features the Raiders and Chiefs (who should be improved over the next few years). I don't know what kind of coach he is now, but as I've said in the past I was around him a lot his last three years here and he was so clueless and had absolutely no control of the team.

As for Zorn, he needs to finish with a winning record and probably a playoff appearance (maybe even a win) to stay

DBUCHANON101 · 05-12-2009, 10:50 PM

I'd say mainly have the team show improvement. meaning the offense is more consistant and the defense continues to do well with the new additions.

Paintrain · 05-12-2009, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Norv is barely scraping by in a division that features the Raiders and Chiefs (who should be improved over the next few years). I don't know what kind of coach he is now, but as I've said in the past I was around him a lot his last three years here and he was so clueless and had absolutely no control of the team.

As for Zorn, he needs to finish with a winning record and probably a playoff appearance (maybe even a win) to stay

A former player (WR) who joined the Redskins later in his career told me that Turner was a great offensive mind who was completely overmatched as a head coach. He said Norv was way too timid and nice of a guy to be a head coach but he would always be a great coordinator.

Skinny Tee · 05-12-2009, 11:54 PM

I think that it is crazy that people are considering this Zorn's make or break year when he hasn't even had the time to coach his rookie draft class to a second season.

The only way you can consider this a make or break year for Zorn is if you had expectations for the Skins to hire a big name coach after Gibbs left.

We never should have had Zorn as a head coach in the first place if that is the case.

05-12-2009, 05:35 PM	#46
NYCskinfan82 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Queens, NYC Age: 43 Posts: 2,975	Re: What must Jim Zorn accomplish this season to keep his job? The team must look better offensively.

05-12-2009, 07:14 PM	#48
Paintrain Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 42 Posts: 4,529	Re: What must Jim Zorn accomplish this season to keep his job? As for the Norv question, he's proven repeatedly since leaving DC what type of coach he is. Great coordinator, poor head coach. If anything, it should show you what his reputation is when Jerry Jones didn't hire him, even after courting him publicly, before he hired Phillips, not that the Phillips hire has turned out much better. Back on topic, I think it all depends on how they finish. Another 6-2 start, 2-6 finish (or worse) and he's gone. Going 9-7 and missing the playoffs will keep him around. Anything above that and obviously he's going to stick around. I'd expect, if a change is made, that Shanahan would be the frontrunner, followed by Gruden then Cowher. Snyder wants a high powered, high scoring, fun to watch offense. That's his motivation behind the Zorn hire, the Cutler & Sanchez chase and the fact we've drafted so many QB in his tenure as the owner. __________________ No Pressure-No Diamonds! Go Catch Your Dreams!

05-12-2009, 07:27 PM	#49
an23dy Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Perth, Australia Posts: 162	Re: What must Jim Zorn accomplish this season to keep his job? I think Zorn will get two more years. I don't really think he'll get fired next year unless he's 5-11 or worse. I think Jason Campbell can be the scapegoat if the offense doesn't improve. I don't believe that's the case, I think Campbell is real good and just hasn't had the pieces around him and the time to learn an offense in order to show what he can do. I hope we don't have to worry about any of this and I don't think we will because I think we will have a good season next year.

05-12-2009, 07:39 PM	#50
DBUCHANON101 The Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,373	Re: What must Jim Zorn accomplish this season to keep his job? We are used to the high scoring offenses in D.C and if Zorn doesnt show that he can score points he wont last. I'd like to see us bring in a OC from S.D or N.O to run the offense. Especially one from S.D who is a 'Air Coryell' descendant ala Gibbs. maybe Dan Henning from Miami. I say N.O because they do more with less and lead the league in offense despite not having many big name WR's or a great Oline.

05-12-2009, 08:03 PM	#51
DBUCHANON101 The Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,373	Re: What must Jim Zorn accomplish this season to keep his job? yeah a deep playoff run will save him. hopefully we can avoid the late season collapse like last yr. 12 pts a game wont cut it.

05-12-2009, 08:56 PM	#53
DBUCHANON101 The Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,373	Re: What must Jim Zorn accomplish this season to keep his job? hopefully the offense shows improvement and we wont have to worry about it. Thomas and Kelly need to break out this season.

05-12-2009, 09:35 PM	#55
franklinhimself Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 110	Re: What must Jim Zorn accomplish this season to keep his job? I believe a 10-6 record can get us into the playoffs. With our acquisitions we made in the offseason, plus second year in the Zorn system, Zorn-Campbell era really begins to stride. It'll happen, barring 2 or more long-term (4+ weeks) injuries on the O-line.

05-12-2009, 10:30 PM	#57
SmootSmack Mad Men Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,098	Re: What must Jim Zorn accomplish this season to keep his job? Norv is barely scraping by in a division that features the Raiders and Chiefs (who should be improved over the next few years). I don't know what kind of coach he is now, but as I've said in the past I was around him a lot his last three years here and he was so clueless and had absolutely no control of the team. As for Zorn, he needs to finish with a winning record and probably a playoff appearance (maybe even a win) to stay __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

05-12-2009, 10:50 PM	#58
DBUCHANON101 The Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,373	Re: What must Jim Zorn accomplish this season to keep his job? I'd say mainly have the team show improvement. meaning the offense is more consistant and the defense continues to do well with the new additions.

05-12-2009, 11:54 PM	#60
Skinny Tee The Starter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Redskins Nation Posts: 1,715	Re: What must Jim Zorn accomplish this season to keep his job? I think that it is crazy that people are considering this Zorn's make or break year when he hasn't even had the time to coach his rookie draft class to a second season. The only way you can consider this a make or break year for Zorn is if you had expectations for the Skins to hire a big name coach after Gibbs left. We never should have had Zorn as a head coach in the first place if that is the case. __________________ Redskinsly, _________Skinny Tee_________

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