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View Poll Results: Champ and our 2nd rounder to Denver for Portis, your thoughts?
Great move! 31 59.62%
Bad move! 6 11.54%
I'm not sure 15 28.85%
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Old 02-24-2004, 09:24 PM   #16
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Yeah, Denver is probobly going to cut him anyways
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Old 02-24-2004, 09:30 PM   #17
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Portis

We are giving up too many draft picks and too much$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ We are win now--shaft later.
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Old 02-24-2004, 09:32 PM   #18
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I wouldn't want Gardener traded to us--we'd take a giant cap hit for it (I'd prefer to sign him after he's been cut).
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A question ... why does anyone think a trade with Detroit is still a possibility? Am I missing something? Last I heard there was NO WAY the Lions were trading their #6. Portis is the best we're going to get, folks. At this point, it's either that or the Jets' deal of Shaun Ellis, Lamont Jordan, and Anthony Becht. I'll take Portis and give up the second rounder, thanks. He will be the focal point of a rejuvenated offense. That's worth more than a second rounder, and it's worth more than Champ Bailey by himself. Losing him won't kill us.

Historically, it appears that a Gregg Williams defense in all likelihood will not suck. He and Marvin Lewis and Ray Rhodes have that in common. Even with average players, they'll build a good system around the guys they have and get the job done. The Redskins will get the FAs they need and the D will be fine minus Champ, average at worst. Priority #1 for Gibbs is running the ball on offense ... with Portis problem solved.

If Taylor's gone at #5, we'll take the DE from USC and be happy. No franchise tag for Kearse, so he could be coming our way. The D will be fine.

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Old 02-24-2004, 09:47 PM   #20
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where I saw us close to signing Springs....

http://www.washtimes.com/sports/2004...0527-2442r.htm

What it says ...

"The Redskins appear to be so confident they will deal Bailey in the coming week that they already are searching for his replacement. NFL sources said Washington is seriously interested in acquiring Seattle veteran Shawn Springs as an unrestricted free agent. Springs, a seven-year veteran who went to Springbrook High School in Silver Spring, would team with Fred Smoot as the Redskins' starting cornerback tandem."
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Old 02-24-2004, 09:51 PM   #21
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I'll take Shawn Springs, any idea on his $$ amount though, or if Winfeild ( who I think is the best fit if cheapest ) is cheaper? Defintley makes me happy that we could have a good replacement, I just hope its not too much dough.
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Old 02-24-2004, 10:02 PM   #22
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You know... I dunno how the money will break down... I'm just more suprised that he has been in the league only 7 years... it seems he's been around longer.

Maybe because it seems like he has lost a step the past couple of years. That's OK, he'd be a relaible stop-gap until we draft a REAL Champ replacement.

But see... my whole point to NOT trading Champ to DEN, but to DET... we could have Springs, but trade the Lions pick down and grab Deangelo Hall (Champ Bailey athleticism and potential game breaker like Deion) who could learn from Springs and Smoot, be a nickel back and take over in 2 years for Shawn.

And by the way ... the Lions backed out when we wouldn't back down from wanting a 1st AND 2nd rounder.

If we came back and said we'd accept a 3rd or 4th, Champ might even help us by begging the Lions (perhaps giving them a better deal on his contract??) to take the deal so he could play with his brother (whish he wants VERY badly). So yes, I think Detroit LOVES Bailey, covets him... and Champ covets them... so never say never with the trade to Detroit.
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Old 02-24-2004, 10:07 PM   #23
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I had originally heard of a straight-up trade with Seattle, Champ Bailey for Shaun Alexander and I was really excited. I had then heard about the Clinton Portis deal and I was estatic, though after thinking about it, I really wish we would have taken the Shaun Alexander deal, since I think he is about as good as Portis, but the fact we wouldn't be losing our Round 2 Draft Pick!

With the number of holes there is, and the big names that Snyder is going to be targeting (Kearse and Springs), is there going to be enough to strengthen our defense? Don't get me wrong, I would love to see Kearse and Springs (Especially now with Bailey leaving) in a Redskins uniform, but the Redskins had the 25th overall Defense last year, so they need to look at the entire Defense not just two spots. Oh, this might sound ignorant, but couldn't the Redskins trade Trung Candidate for a Pick or a Defensive player, since it looks like our Fullback (Rock Cartwright) could run better than him?

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Old 02-24-2004, 10:21 PM   #24
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Were gonna have about 17 million dollars to work with, I think once Bailey is traded (obviously not counting Portis's contract).
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Old 02-24-2004, 10:36 PM   #25
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someone who backs my thinking...

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7115889

Part that I like...

"As for which team wins, it's debatable. But here are factors to consider:

Shutdown corners are far more valuable than a good running back. In a league moving toward more wide-open football, a good corner is nearly as valuable as a good pass-rushing end. Backs can be found. Heck, Portis is a second-round pick, Terrell Davis came in the sixth round, Priest Holmes came in as an undrafted free agent. Edge: Broncos.

Portis is younger by two years, but the life expectancy of a running back is significantly shorter than a cover corner. Hits begin to take their toll on backs, which is why they usually fall off as they get close to 30. Good corners, see Troy Vincent, can play into their mid-30s. Edge: Broncos.

The Broncos will get an additional second-round pick, which could be used on a back such as Greg Jones of Florida State or Julius Jones of Notre Dame. If anybody can run it in their system -- their thinking remember, not mine -- maybe that player can get time as a rookie and have success. After giving up a third to get Brunell, Washington will be left with just three (actually two) draft picks in the April draft. That's future franchise suicide. Edge: Broncos.

Add it all up, and Denver seemingly gets the best of this deal."

All I can say is.... "Ditto. I completely agree"
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Old 02-24-2004, 10:41 PM   #26
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Well, it's not as if we'll have many rookies to sign, so 17 mil for our 1st round pick, and a few good Free Agents may not be out of the question. Should our 5th rounder make the team, he'd definitely come at a cheap price. If you're right about that 17 mil, we're in better shape than I thought (even with big $$$ going to Portis).
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Old 02-24-2004, 10:49 PM   #27
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He's saying we'd have 17 MIL if we gave up Champ,WITHOUT getting Portis, a la getting all draft picks for him. Portis has said... and this is a direct quote from a reporter who has spoken with him...

"Portis believes he is the is the best running back in football and wants to be paid as such."

Yeah... sounds an awful lot like Champ to me... meaning... he is a contract issue waiting to happen... and a HUGE cap hit coming SOMETIME soon...

again, "Franchise Suicide."
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Old 02-24-2004, 11:26 PM   #28
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Still , even after we sign Portis, were gonna have alot more $$ to work with than I was ever expecting. Oh well, people disagree, I think overall, were gonna be fine, If Detroit just wants to offer us a first and that Jets deal is the only ohter offer, Denver is our best option by leaps and bounds.
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Originally Posted by Hail to the Redskins
where I saw us close to signing Springs....

http://www.washtimes.com/sports/2004...0527-2442r.htm

What it says ...

"The Redskins appear to be so confident they will deal Bailey in the coming week that they already are searching for his replacement. NFL sources said Washington is seriously interested in acquiring Seattle veteran Shawn Springs as an unrestricted free agent. Springs, a seven-year veteran who went to Springbrook High School in Silver Spring, would team with Fred Smoot as the Redskins' starting cornerback tandem."
Springs would be cool with me.
The best news about this news is that the staff realizes that they've got to move quickly on those good FA CB's once the Bailey deal is done.
Signing a good CB immediately should quiet some critics about the Portis trade too.

If this works out, and the skins can add a Springs (or similar/better CB) then use the 5 pick on STaylor- in my opinion the secondary would be upgraded from last year on top of the obvious RB upgrade Portis gives us. I'm enjoying this radical rebuilding. I think, ultimately the staff is going to praised for the bold moves they've made. It looks like the player cuts and Bailey's exit will leave us room to grab some talented Dlinemen in FA too (in a perfect world: Wistrom D.Howard and C.Griffin but i'm dreamin).

I just want to see what they pull off next. Couple RB's, and Gardner could get us picks.
Tune in tomorrow
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Old 02-25-2004, 01:21 AM   #30
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We were going to lose Champ, no two ways about it. Other teams knew it and weren't going to bend over backward to help us. Portis was going to hold out, so it was a mutual thing.

If Portis has a thousand yard season and catches and blocks well, he's worth it. He's 23.

THe second rounder only hurts if we don't get decent cap relief in the deal. BUt we should, given what we would have had to pay Champ. So the main question is how Portis's contract is structured. Good contract=good deal. If we free up money, we can free agent our way to defense. Champ's contract was blocking that.

Trade down for an extra pick, work the FA's on defense, and we'll have it.

But the long-term may be trouble! (Still, rookies need to get paid when their first contracts end, so that's not fool proof for building longterm either!)
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