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Old 08-04-2009, 10:54 PM   #61
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Levi Jones wants to be a starter and get starter's money. Unless Heyer's injury is very serious, I doubt the team or Levi will show any interest.
Zorn told the press that we are going to head into the season with linemen currently on our roster. If Heyer or another lineman goes down, I can see us making a move, but I agree that we probably won't sign another starting caliber lineman.

That said, I wish we would sign another lineman like Jones. I just don't trust the guys on the roster in pass protection. I really believe that Campbell could be a very effective quarterback if given the time to make throws. Unfortunately, our current linemen are unlikely to afford him a decent amount of time to throw from the pocket. That fact, when combined with Campbell's slow release, is likely to spell serious trouble.
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I wasn't saying that he couldn't beat out Heyer, it is just that Levi probably wants to be in a position where he can be the starter and get starter money. Right now there's a competition for the RT position, with Heyer. I think the Redskins would need to convince Jones that he could be a starter in order to get him interested; not what people are saying that we should get him as a back up. I would love to have Jones here, I just don't think he's going to be interested in us unless a.) Heyer is out and he could come in and start or b.) no one picks him up and we become the best option for him.

It wouldn't be a competition if we signed him. They were hoping that a 450 pounder off the street could push Heyer.

Our line was and is in trouble and I think they need to sign proven talent now before it is too late.
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In the SI article Zorn admits he couldn't call deep route bc JC wasn't getting enough time. That is the coach saying our Oline sucks.

Any tweak is bad news for our line.
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In the SI article Zorn admits he couldn't call deep route bc JC wasn't getting enough time. That is the coach saying our Oline sucks.

Any tweak is bad news for our line.

Our line is in big trouble at the moment. Someone might say this is jumping the gun, I would tell them to look at the last 8 games from last year...
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Old 08-04-2009, 11:07 PM   #65
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I would like if they got Levi Jones too, but let's find out what's up with Heyer before we jump the gun. We have Jeremy Bridges too, and I don't want for the team to overreact and overpay someone like Jones. I mean there has got to be a reason why he hasn't been picked up too.
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Jones would be a good addition but it probably couldn't happen until tc is halfway or more through. If I am Jones, as much as I want to play. I also want to see what teams need me. Just in our division, flozell and samuels are "old", peters and andrews are also battlingg injuries and we have heyer and williams(mike) as the main rt candidates. That's 3 out of 4 teams that in the next week could suddenly turn a deal with him. At this point it only makes sense to wait a couple more days and see what other options might arise. And from the skins view, we are only a couple days in, these lineman are who they thought they were, now let's see what we can accomplish by the time we play baltimore.

All is good folks, let's not throw up our hands before the first kickoff of the season.
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Our line is in big trouble at the moment. Someone might say this is jumping the gun, I would tell them to look at the last 8 games from last year...
Boy, I am really tired of the constant reference to the last 8 games as if the first 8 didn't mean anything and also as if this is the same group that hobbled to the finish line. Jansen is gone . Kendall, who took nearly every Wednesday off is gone, samuels is lean mean and determined, Dockery is his able bodied sidekick ready to fend off the dastardly advances of the evil doers in dallas philly ny or any other place that evil opponents may raise their heads. In the first 8 games we ran over teams, without samuels healthy and facing the top 1,2, 3, 5,8,etc defenses in a row we got run over. Its a NEW season, JZ understands better the wear and tear aspect and is leading this team onward. Please let's all agree that last season is over and the new one just begun. Look to the positives throughout camp, trust the koolaid is not spiked.

Thank you for your time, u may now return to ur regularly scheduled worry and disillusionment with our team.
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Boy, I am really tired of the constant reference to the last 8 games as if the first 8 didn't mean anything and also as if this is the same group that hobbled to the finish line. Jansen is gone . Kendall, who took nearly every Wednesday off is gone, samuels is lean mean and determined, Dockery is his able bodied sidekick ready to fend off the dastardly advances of the evil doers in dallas philly ny or any other place that evil opponents may raise their heads. In the first 8 games we ran over teams, without samuels healthy and facing the top 1,2, 3, 5,8,etc defenses in a row we got run over. Its a NEW season, JZ understands better the wear and tear aspect and is leading this team onward. Please let's all agree that last season is over and the new one just begun. Look to the positives throughout camp, trust the koolaid is not spiked.

Thank you for your time, u may now return to ur regularly scheduled worry and disillusionment with our team.
Great post. I know that I'm the one that drinks the Kool-Aid all the time and is overly positive about the team, but come on people, it's like this site needs prozac or vicodin. Every little fart of an injury and people think the team is doomed. Have you guys taken a look around the league? There are several guys who are lost for the season. I believe it is Jax and Carolina who just lost start offensive linemen, not little knee tweaks, they are gone. People forget that this type of overreaction is what landed TJ Duckett and Jason Taylor at the expense of picks.
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You don't think he could beat out Heyer? Give him a one year deal. Obviously no one is beating down his door.
Two weeks ago Levi Jones said he wouldn't sign anywhere until camps started. I heard a number of teams were interested and the Redskins had not shown any interest as of yet. I hope we pick somebody up, Jones is at the top of the list, but I would be happy with anybody with any experience at tackle.
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im a kool aid drinker. but our line, as it stands right now, scares the shit out of me
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Eventually Vinny & Danny needs to realize you can't have a franchise QB with a terrible o-line. You also can't make strides with your receivers and QB if JC doesn't have a line. In the next a couple of years, we need to dedicate the draft to getting an all-star o-line simple as that.
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Boy, I am really tired of the constant reference to the last 8 games as if the first 8 didn't mean anything and also as if this is the same group that hobbled to the finish line. Jansen is gone . Kendall, who took nearly every Wednesday off is gone, samuels is lean mean and determined, Dockery is his able bodied sidekick ready to fend off the dastardly advances of the evil doers in dallas philly ny or any other place that evil opponents may raise their heads. In the first 8 games we ran over teams, without samuels healthy and facing the top 1,2, 3, 5,8,etc defenses in a row we got run over. Its a NEW season, JZ understands better the wear and tear aspect and is leading this team onward. Please let's all agree that last season is over and the new one just begun. Look to the positives throughout camp, trust the koolaid is not spiked.

Thank you for your time, u may now return to ur regularly scheduled worry and disillusionment with our team.

So you are honestly happy with our offensive line? You know what I am going to do, smack your cup of kool-aid off the table.

Do you realize that our starting center, right guard and right tackle were off the practice field today? Are you serious? Samuels will be fine. Dockery is barely an upgrade over Kendall, no matter what anyone says.

You may be just fine with 8-8, which is definitely attainable with this defense, I am not.
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im a kool aid drinker. but our line, as it stands right now, scares the shit out of me
This is a very reasonable post. The same line that crumbled and failed us last year is a year older, had several additional surgeries and is already falling apart.
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Kool Aid is bad for you, it rots your teeth and makes you fat.
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So you are honestly happy with our offensive line? You know what I am going to do, smack your cup of kool-aid off the table.

Do you realize that our starting center, right guard and right tackle were off the practice field today? Are you serious? Samuels will be fine. Dockery is barely an upgrade over Kendall, no matter what anyone says.

You may be just fine with 8-8, which is definitely attainable with this defense, I am not.
I don't know that happy is the right word. Just not panicked yet. Like I said, this is not the same line that finished the year. Dockery is younger, at least equal to kendall, samuels is healthy, heyer has a competent backup in bridges, jansen is gone. I am hopeful that rinehart will be more prepared,.

To me the center is the only spot we are just thin at.

if u look across the nfl at the best lines, I am confident most teams, are allowing there vet lines some grace time. I know dallas is, philly had both tackles held out the last two practices, I don't know about the giants. If we get to the baltimore game and our oline starters don't take the field as a unit for several series, then I will worry.

One final point, there just isn't much talent sitting out there that would upgrade your two concerns, health and age. Levi jones would, but as I said earlier he is waiting, otherwise who do we plug in that would be better than the youth we already have, and are trying to train (rinehart, williams the center, bridges).

I don't expect this line to be all-pro hogs style. But I expect that our talent positions, CP, Campbell, will be given enough time and holes to get a better job done.

By the way, the line about the koolaid was classic

Let's keep drinking at least until we see the group in action, I do have an extra cup if you want one

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