Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals

coggs · 08-06-2009, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Still, the Eagles weren't willing to give Donovan McNabb more than two years on a contract, and while Eli might perhaps have stronger prospect than McNabb based on his age and recent performance, if we're talking about who deserves the money, McNabb wins 10 out of 10 times.
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McNabb is older, has trouble staying healthy, and has often come up small in big games. Don't get me wrong, I think he is very underrated, but ask any objective Eagles fan (yes, there are 2 or 3 out there) about what they think about this season. They will tell you it is all on #5. IF he can stay healthy, they can win the division, if not they go 6-10, 7-9.

coggs · 08-06-2009, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

As good as the Giants defense has been since 2006, you've barely kept Campbell in check. He very nearly beat you almost by himself the first two times he played you (2006 Week 17, 2007 Week 3), but got shitty performances by the defense on those days. He was injured in Week 15, 2007, but considering the whopping that the backup put on the Giants that day, there's little for you to gloat about.

The best day the Giants defense has ever had against Campbell was Week 1 of last year, and it certainly wasn't sacks or pass pressure that made the difference. Campbell was sacked by Tuck on the first play of the game, and wasn't sacked or picked the rest of the game. He was just ineffective. They got much better results in Week 13, but one deep ball INT and a subsequent 8 minute TD drive against our *No. 4* defense was the difference in that one.

In short, if Campbell is in fact one of the worst QBs in the league as you assert, the Giants defense is holier than Pineapple Jesus.

Oh please. The Giants have beaten the Skins 5 out of the past 6 times they have played and off the top of my head I belive 9 out of the past 12.

coggs · 08-06-2009, 09:02 AM

I obviously am not going to respond to each point. Is Eli worth that kind of money? No. He obviously has to prove he can do it without Burress, but with the young core of receivers they have, I believe he can do it. 2) improve red zone efficiency- too many damn short fg's last year. The play-off game against the Eagles, 3 FG's, 2 missed FG's. Get 2 of those into the endzone and you are not in desperation mode in the 4th quarter. 3) Pass in the wind at the Meadowlands. The game against the Skins 2 years ago (although the play calling was the bigger problem), both eagles games last season.

Watching Mike and Mike in the morning. They have Kuselias and Herm Edwards on. Talking about Eli's contract and Kuselias named a bumch of QB's to ask Herm who he'd rather have. Brady, Peyton, McNabb, Big Ben, Brees, Palmer and so on. Named about 15 QB's. It was 50-50 whether he'd take Eli or the other guy. Funny thing is, Campbell wasn't even mentioned.

As for the Giants D, you people are ridiculously under estimating the talent the Giants have and you will see it come Sept 13th.

53Fan · 08-06-2009, 09:46 AM

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I just read all six pages, and that was a lot of fun to read!! Thank you 53fan!

My pleasure.

It's training camp and the juices are starting to flow. I can't wait for the season to start! HAIL REDSKINS!!!

Lotus · 08-06-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by coggs

Oh please. The Giants have beaten the Skins 5 out of the past 6 times they have played and off the top of my head I belive 9 out of the past 12.

Why does your sig include talk about a dynasty even though you guys are not a dynasty? Do you remember losing last year?

GhettoDogAllStars · 08-06-2009, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by coggs

More importantly, the best D, and the best OLine. If you do not think they are a championship threat, then you do not know football.

Best D and best O-line? In the division, maybe, in the league no way.

Eli is better than JC, but that still doesn't mean I'd want him on the Skins. He's a wanker and a baby. He doesn't even look like a football player. He just looks like a kid on Halloween.

Also, the only thing you can credit Eli with regarding the Superbowl win is about two plays where he managed to avoid what looked like an inevitable sack. That's all.

coggs · 08-06-2009, 11:00 AM

I guess you can't read very well, ghetto. I have already said the Super Bowl was a full team effort, and rambled off about 7 guys who could have also been the MVP. I have never in my life said, Eli won that game for the Giants.

Yes, they do have the best OLine, who do you think is better? As for the D, they only team that anyone with a brain can argue is better is Pittsburgh and the Giants beat them in Pittsburgh last year. Although the Steelers winning it all trumps that.

Ruhskins · 08-06-2009, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by coggs

I obviously am not going to respond to each point. Is Eli worth that kind of money? No. He obviously has to prove he can do it without Burress, but with the young core of receivers they have, I believe he can do it. 2) improve red zone efficiency- too many damn short fg's last year. The play-off game against the Eagles, 3 FG's, 2 missed FG's. Get 2 of those into the endzone and you are not in desperation mode in the 4th quarter. 3) Pass in the wind at the Meadowlands. The game against the Skins 2 years ago (although the play calling was the bigger problem), both eagles games last season.

I think some pundits out there are saying that the Giants could have easily waited to see if Eli could pull it off without Burress before giving him such a big deal. If you know the New York media any better, you know they are going to bring this up in the Giants' first loss this season.

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Originally Posted by coggs

As for the Giants D, you people are ridiculously under estimating the talent the Giants have and you will see it come Sept 13th.

I doubt anyone is underestimating the Giants D and if they are well then it is a very biased/rivalry-based opinion. As I said in my long a$$ post in another thread, the Giants and Redskins are pretty equal due to changes in the offseason (Giants off losses, Redskins def acquisitions); however given the homefield they will have in the first game, it would not surprise me if they win. However, I think it will be a low scoring/defensive battle.

SmootSmack · 08-06-2009, 11:12 AM

How much do you guys think Snyder will sign Phillip Rivers for next off-season?

Seriously though, Rivers should get a massive paycheck now

gibbsisgod · 08-06-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by coggs

I obviously am not going to respond to each point. Is Eli worth that kind of money? No. He obviously has to prove he can do it without Burress, but with the young core of receivers they have, I believe he can do it. 2) improve red zone efficiency- too many damn short fg's last year. The play-off game against the Eagles, 3 FG's, 2 missed FG's. Get 2 of those into the endzone and you are not in desperation mode in the 4th quarter. 3) Pass in the wind at the Meadowlands. The game against the Skins 2 years ago (although the play calling was the bigger problem), both eagles games last season.

Watching Mike and Mike in the morning. They have Kuselias and Herm Edwards on. Talking about Eli's contract and Kuselias named a bumch of QB's to ask Herm who he'd rather have. Brady, Peyton, McNabb, Big Ben, Brees, Palmer and so on. Named about 15 QB's. It was 50-50 whether he'd take Eli or the other guy. Funny thing is, Campbell wasn't even mentioned.

As for the Giants D, you people are ridiculously under estimating the talent the Giants have and you will see it come Sept 13th.

That kind of money that he is going to make should be reserved for the very best players at any given position. I'm not sure you could get anyone to say he is the very best qb in the league. He is making the kind of money that you give to players who are game changers. Players that can win games seemingly by themselves(think Peyton, Brady). One thing is for sure, the pressure is on now. NY is a pressure cooker anyway, now it will be magnified. If he succeeds, all is well. If he even plays average, NY fans will be calling for his head.

Anyway, I say good for you eli.

MTK · 08-06-2009, 11:15 AM

The Chargers won't let him sniff the open market, but if they did and the Skins were in need of a QB, watch out.

KLHJ2 · 08-06-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

How much do you guys think Snyder will sign Phillip Rivers for next off-season?

Seriously though, Rivers should get a massive paycheck now

I feel that Rivers is worth more than Eli, but I cannot see SD one upping NY. Rivers will get paid in the same ballbark, but no more.

FRPLG · 08-06-2009, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by 53Fan

Well if we win the SB this year, JC should make the Fortune 500.

This is the downside to the deal for us. Not that I think we're SB bound but if Campbell comes out and has a career year then we're screwed contract-wise. This kind of deal blows up the current scale. everyone in the league knows it's a crap contract for an average player but agents will parlay it into major deals for every other half-baked to good QB in the league.

PennSkinsFan · 08-06-2009, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The Chargers won't let him sniff the open market, but if they did and the Skins were in need of a QB, watch out.

Especially after choosing Rivers over Brees. My bet is, they extend during the season. And they should. More interesting things is, what if JC has a decent season. Do we sign during the season? Are the bridges burned? I think the JC watch as far as if he plays well and his future is an interesting scenario to unwrap.

GhettoDogAllStars · 08-06-2009, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by coggs

I guess you can't read very well, ghetto. I have already said the Super Bowl was a full team effort, and rambled off about 7 guys who could have also been the MVP. I have never in my life said, Eli won that game for the Giants.

Yes, they do have the best OLine, who do you think is better? As for the D, they only team that anyone with a brain can argue is better is Pittsburgh and the Giants beat them in Pittsburgh last year. Although the Steelers winning it all trumps that.

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I think it's great that you recognize Eli wasn't the cause for the win. Now I know you're not as crazy as I thought. Anyways, that was just a statement and nothing else really.

So, at first it was best D and O-line, and now it's just best O-line and maybe best D?

The Steelers, Ravens and Eagles were all better defenses last year, and the Cowboys have better talent, they just don't know how to use it.

As for the O-line, you're pretty good, but I think the Pats are better. And, maybe a couple other teams like the Saints and Cardinals. It's hard to argue the best of the best, and you're O-line is among them.

You're saying you have the best O-line and best D in the league, which basically means you have the best team in the league. C'mon dude, get real.

08-06-2009, 09:02 AM	#93
coggs Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: staten island Age: 41 Posts: 457	Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals I obviously am not going to respond to each point. Is Eli worth that kind of money? No. He obviously has to prove he can do it without Burress, but with the young core of receivers they have, I believe he can do it. 2) improve red zone efficiency- too many damn short fg's last year. The play-off game against the Eagles, 3 FG's, 2 missed FG's. Get 2 of those into the endzone and you are not in desperation mode in the 4th quarter. 3) Pass in the wind at the Meadowlands. The game against the Skins 2 years ago (although the play calling was the bigger problem), both eagles games last season. Watching Mike and Mike in the morning. They have Kuselias and Herm Edwards on. Talking about Eli's contract and Kuselias named a bumch of QB's to ask Herm who he'd rather have. Brady, Peyton, McNabb, Big Ben, Brees, Palmer and so on. Named about 15 QB's. It was 50-50 whether he'd take Eli or the other guy. Funny thing is, Campbell wasn't even mentioned. As for the Giants D, you people are ridiculously under estimating the talent the Giants have and you will see it come Sept 13th. __________________ "Everyone is talking about their dynasty. Well, OUR DYNASTY STARTS TONIGHT."--Michael Strahan, pre-game huddle Pep talk, February 3rd, 2008.

08-06-2009, 11:00 AM	#97
coggs Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: staten island Age: 41 Posts: 457	Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals I guess you can't read very well, ghetto. I have already said the Super Bowl was a full team effort, and rambled off about 7 guys who could have also been the MVP. I have never in my life said, Eli won that game for the Giants. Yes, they do have the best OLine, who do you think is better? As for the D, they only team that anyone with a brain can argue is better is Pittsburgh and the Giants beat them in Pittsburgh last year. Although the Steelers winning it all trumps that. __________________ "Everyone is talking about their dynasty. Well, OUR DYNASTY STARTS TONIGHT."--Michael Strahan, pre-game huddle Pep talk, February 3rd, 2008.

08-06-2009, 11:12 AM	#99
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals How much do you guys think Snyder will sign Phillip Rivers for next off-season? Seriously though, Rivers should get a massive paycheck now __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

08-06-2009, 11:15 AM	#101
MTK ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 44 Posts: 88,857	Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals The Chargers won't let him sniff the open market, but if they did and the Skins were in need of a QB, watch out. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

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