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Old 08-18-2009, 08:42 PM   #46
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Re: Let's talk some Orakpo

Just saw this little tidbit from the article on Daniels:

"There is a real optimism in [Daniel's] mind, about rookie Brian Orakpo, another weight-room disciple creating havoc in the other guy's backfield -- a player 'who reminds me of myself coming up, a young me,'" Daniels said.

Mike Wise - Redskins' Daniels Embarks on a Quest to Prove 36 is Not Too Old for an NFL Comeback - washingtonpost.com

Good to hear that Orakpo takes his body and craft seriously. <ahem> Devin Thomas.
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Old 08-18-2009, 09:00 PM   #47
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Going into this last offseason the DL was a real concern. Now freddyg is rightfully talking about our being stacked there. While I am no great fan of Cerrato, he deserves credit for this.

In the next offseason if we rebuild the OL the way the DL was rebuilt this year, we might have something.
There's a giant, gaping, post-Griffin hole at the 3-technique, but with the type of youth and top end talent we've put on the DL in the last four years, dare I suggest that even a free agent or trade related stop-gap would be sufficient in 2010 or 2011 or whenever.

It's something to watch: if Griffin goes down, we're playing a man short on the DL, but that's not a particularly premium defensive position, and can be filled with a 4th round pick or a mid-tier free agent in the future.

Meanwhile, in the other three spots on the DL, the only thing we'll need to do over the next four years or so is inject depth periodically.
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Old 08-18-2009, 09:29 PM   #48
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First of all I don't for a second buy into the suggestion Rak is too small to play DE right now. It would have to be RDE in Blache's system but size wise he is right there with AC...around 255 lbs. And Rak's strength is outta this world so c'mon let's put that question to bed. That said I'm not suggesting he takeover RDE this season. His speed and talent mean Rak has a shot to help us at SLB (where he's desperately needed) on 1st and 2nd. Putting his hand in the dirt on 3rd is a good idea. It gives AC a break, something he's rarely had since coming east, and gives our DL a new look.

Longterm if Rak bulks up a bit, as Daniels did over the course of his pro career, and as you'd expect w/ his insane penchant for the throwing the weights around, I think Rak will have what it takes to play either end. Real students of the game have a better idea of where he'll excel i'm sure, but my point is this kid's talent/abilities seems to give us some very nice options.

I'm curious how the front 7 will look when phat Al swings out to RDE. Do we put a speed rusher like Rak/AC at LDE or keep a larger guy in there? In those scenarios I think Jarmon at LDE and Rak blitzing from SLB would be almost impossible for any offensive line to handle
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Just saw this little tidbit from the article on Daniels:

"There is a real optimism in [Daniel's] mind, about rookie Brian Orakpo, another weight-room disciple creating havoc in the other guy's backfield -- a player 'who reminds me of myself coming up, a young me,'" Daniels said.

Mike Wise - Redskins' Daniels Embarks on a Quest to Prove 36 is Not Too Old for an NFL Comeback - washingtonpost.com

Good to hear that Orakpo takes his body and craft seriously. <ahem> Devin Thomas.
Hopefully he'll surpass Daniels and register more than 9.0 sacks in a season for his entire career :p
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^^ I agree. I was more impressed that Orakpo was a weight room fiend. Hopefully, Daniels was just having delusions of grandeur.
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Phillip Daniels can hold his own. And then some.
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So you like Brian Mitchell's approach better?

I see nothing wrong with a commentator for the Redskins Broadcast Network actually being optimistic and supporting the team.
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Old 08-20-2009, 03:34 PM   #53
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Brian Orakpo can become an All-Pro defensive player in the NFL - - but anyone who looked at his first pre-season game and used that single performance to make such an extrapolation jumped the gun by more than a little bit.

At Texas, Brian Orakpo played DE; but in the pass-happy Big 12, what he did on 80% of the snaps was to get after the QB. Against quality opponents, he got the QB about once a game.

Against the run, he really did not do all that well. Probably he never really worked on the techniques for run-stopping nearly as hard as he worked on his speed-moves to the QB, so there is every reason to suspect he can be taught how to play both aspects of defensive football. But until he stands up to an NFC East team running the ball at him over and over and over again and shows he can stop that run, he is a question mark for achieving "greatness" as a DE. Great DEs - - e.g. Reggie White, Too Tall Jones, Charles Mann, Michael Strahan - - stop the run AND they sack the QB.

Moving Orakpo to LB will alleviate the problem of taking on behemoth offensive linemen in the run game play after play, but it will create another thing for him to learn - - pass coverage. If he "comes" on every play that he is on the field, offensive coordinators will be dumping the ball into his vacated area a lot. It won't take them long to spot that trend. Remember how things unfolded when Lavar Arrington vacated the linebacker spot with his "freelancing"? The results are not always pretty. Brian Orakpo has to learn to cover pass routes. He is certainly athletic enough to learn; the question is how quickly will he learn.

Add either or both of these ingredients to his demonstrated capabilites - - and avoid injuries of course - - and you may see Brian Orakpo in the Pro Bowl in a couple of years...

Don't add either or both of these ingredients and you have a situational pass rusher and not much else.
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If he "comes" on every play that he is on the field, offensive coordinators will be dumping the ball into his vacated area a lot. It won't take them long to spot that trend.
The Ravens did just that on one or two plays. They let him rush and dumped a screen in the left flat. If it starts to become a problem, I am sure Blache will adapt.
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Man, Orakpo was all over the place last night, I was impressed
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Man, Orakpo was all over the place last night, I was impressed
He's got a very good chance to be defensive ROY. Although BJ Raji looked really impressive for the Packers last night as well. Like a younger Haynesworth.
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Man, Orakpo was all over the place last night, I was impressed
I've read that he took plays off in college. I don't see it. He's like the energizer bunny. He keeps going and going and.........
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You see that bull rush where he literally took that Steelers lineman right off his feet? Dude is mad strong.
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I think he's got a real good shot at being defensive ROY. Seriously, he's only going to get better as the season get's underway.

He was everywhere last year.
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You see that bull rush where he literally took that Steelers lineman right off his feet? Dude is mad strong.
That was freakin AWESOME! I thought rookie DE's didn't have much of an impact in their first year? Orakpo is already a force to be reckoned with.
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