What Michael Vick won't be

JoeRedskin · 01-10-2011, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by tryfuhl

I got really tired of hearing the "Vick deserves to be here" talk though. They really turned him into the victim. You can say "Vick deserves to be here" if he was shot or something innocently and bounced back to be here... otherwise the best you can do is "good for Vick working his way back." The talk of deserving it was disgusting imo

Preach on brother.

As for those saying take away Vick's running game and he is mortal, agree 100%. He made strides, I think, as a pocket passer this year and is now about average in that regard (as opposed his prior years where, w/out his legs he was near useless as a passer). Not sure he will ever be more than that, could be. Certainly, his arm is still top notch.

As they say, you can't coach speed. He's (still) got the physical abilities and the question is whether or not they will stay with him long enough for him to learn how to be a more complete QB. Not sure.

firstdown · 01-10-2011, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by 44ever

And yet he went further than the Redskins. 1st year back and in the Play offs and the Pro Bowl, not bad. Wish he was here.

2nd year back.

SmootSmack · 01-10-2011, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by freddyg12

I was telling my wife last night that if Vick is re-signed by the iggles, we haven't seen the end of the Vick-Kolb rotation. Vick will get hurt, he always does. Kolb will come in & play well & Reid will have to make a decision just like he did this year. Eventually, Vick may get flat out benched. I can see that happening in the next couple years. He put together a great season & I'm happy for him, but I really think he'll have a much harder time keeping the starting job from day 1, he's unllikely to have a year like this again w/so few interceptions & fumbles.

Thought I heard Kolb is demanding a trade if he's not starting. Not that that means the Eagles were oblige of course

JoeRedskin · 01-10-2011, 11:28 AM

^^ Yup. That's what is coming out of Philly:

"Kevin Kolb isn’t one for ultimatums – he handled his demotion this season with class – but the backup quarterback wants out if the Eagles plan on bringing Michael Vick back as their starting quarterback, a source close to the situation said."

Kolb wants to start or wants out | Philadelphia Inquirer | 01/09/2011

We'll see. I bet they could get some insane deal from a QB hungry team -Arizona, SF (where he would likely be a good fit in Harbaugh's system). So, the young team stocks up on more young talent. At the same time, not sure I trust Vick for the entire 18 game schedule (yes, I said 18) and playoffs. With Vick, you almost have to have a starter quality back up.

If I'm the Eagles, I trade Kolb, stock up on run-stuffers and LB's, draft a QB in rounds 3-5 and coach him up to take over in 2 years.

Given their run of success, however, I'd simply let the FO make the call and shut up. [I know they want a SB, but, damn I think they are jaded (and stupid) in Eagle land. You trade your pro bowl QB (who has taken you to the SB and NFC Championship and playoff and winning seasons), cut your starting RB and STILL end up winning your division and are stacked with young offensive talent. But you're Eagles' fans so you call for everyone's head and act like the apocalypse has arrived. Live in my world you idiots. Well, at least we have 3 Superbowl trophies.]

SirClintonPortis · 01-10-2011, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

^^ Yup. That's what is coming out of Philly:

"Kevin Kolb isn’t one for ultimatums – he handled his demotion this season with class – but the backup quarterback wants out if the Eagles plan on bringing Michael Vick back as their starting quarterback, a source close to the situation said."

Kolb wants to start or wants out | Philadelphia Inquirer | 01/09/2011

We'll see. I bet they could get some insane deal from a QB hungry team -Arizona, SF (where he would likely be a good fit in Harbaugh's system). So, the young team stocks up on more young talent. At the same time, not sure I trust Vick for the entire 18 game schedule (yes, I said 18) and playoffs. With Vick, you almost have to have a starter quality back up.

If I'm the Eagles, I trade Kolb, stock up on run-stuffers and LB's, draft a QB in rounds 3-5 and coach him up to take over in 2 years.

Given their run of success, however, I'd simply let the FO make the call and shut up. [I know they want a SB, but, damn I think they are jaded (and stupid) in Eagle land. You trade your pro bowl QB (who has taken you to the SB and NFC Championship and playoff and winning seasons), cut your starting RB and STILL end up winning your division and are stacked with young offensive talent. But you're Eagles' fans so you call for everyone's head and act like the apocalypse has arrived. Live in my world you idiots. Well, at least we have 3 Superbowl trophies.]

Of course, we won't learn and grab him on April Fools' Day. Then we can compare that trade to the one for Sonny as well. :cheeky-sm

NC_Skins · 01-10-2011, 01:32 PM

I say we trade for Kolb with our 2011 2nd rounder and a conditional 3rd or 4th rounder in 2012.

...lol

Hog1 · 01-10-2011, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

^^ Yup. That's what is coming out of Philly:

"Kevin Kolb isn’t one for ultimatums – he handled his demotion this season with class – but the backup quarterback wants out if the Eagles plan on bringing Michael Vick back as their starting quarterback, a source close to the situation said."

Kolb wants to start or wants out | Philadelphia Inquirer | 01/09/2011

We'll see. I bet they could get some insane deal from a QB hungry team -Arizona, SF (where he would likely be a good fit in Harbaugh's system). So, the young team stocks up on more young talent. At the same time, not sure I trust Vick for the entire 18 game schedule (yes, I said 18) and playoffs. With Vick, you almost have to have a starter quality back up.

If I'm the Eagles, I trade Kolb, stock up on run-stuffers and LB's, draft a QB in rounds 3-5 and coach him up to take over in 2 years.

Given their run of success, however, I'd simply let the FO make the call and shut up. [I know they want a SB, but, damn I think they are jaded (and stupid) in Eagle land. You trade your pro bowl QB (who has taken you to the SB and NFC Championship and playoff and winning seasons), cut your starting RB and STILL end up winning your division and are stacked with young offensive talent. But you're Eagles' fans so you call for everyone's head and act like the apocalypse has arrived. Live in my world you idiots. Well, at least we have 3 Superbowl trophies.]

Well......I like Kolb and I would not necessarily mind him coming here!
First things First:
CAN he pass the PFT?
IS he certified to run the two minute offense?

htownskinfan · 01-10-2011, 01:55 PM

I cant believe you guys want to pounce on him like this after he loses,and im talking about the player,not the person.He's probably the mvp of the league.Yes he's not looked as good the past few games,have you seen his offensive line? He got nailed on the very first play yesterday,if that would have been a skinsqb they would have fumbled and it would have been 7 points the other way.Have you forgotten why Reid chose him to start over Kolb? Because the off line sucked so bad,thats why.Now to blame him because he looks mortal when he's been pounded so bad the past few games to me sounds like sour grapes

firstdown · 01-10-2011, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I cant believe you guys want to pounce on him like this after he loses,and im talking about the player,not the person.He's probably the mvp of the league.Yes he's not looked as good the past few games,have you seen his offensive line? He got nailed on the very first play yesterday,if that would have been a skinsqb they would have fumbled and it would have been 7 points the other way.Have you forgotten why Reid chose him to start over Kolb? Because the off line sucked so bad,thats why.Now to blame him because he looks mortal when he's been pounded so bad the past few games to me sounds like sour grapes

Most of Vicks pounding is because of his style of play not his line. Your also wrong about why Vick became the starter.

Monkeydad · 01-10-2011, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

Well......I like Kolb and I would not necessarily mind him coming here!
First things First:
CAN he pass the PFT?
IS he certified to run the two minute offense?

Don't know about the 2-minute drill, but he's horrid when the clock says 7:39. The Eagles neglected to notice this when they scouted him.

Defensewins · 01-10-2011, 03:19 PM

Is Kolb really going to make an ultimatum? What he needs to do is earn a starting position and play well enough to keep it.
Who the hell does he think he is...Malcolm Kelly?

JoeRedskin · 01-10-2011, 03:33 PM

^^ Like Shaub did in Atlanta? Seriously, there is such a dearth of QB's that back-ups only need one or two spectacular or even better than average games to be highly sought after. All you need is a flash of talent and a FO desparate enough and, blamo!, first round pick baby! Anyone remember Scott Mitchell? Rob Johnson? Shaub at least panned out a little. How about SD giving up a ton of draft picks for the chance to take Leaf.

The QB position is so important and it is so hard to find consistent starters that teams will pay a lot on little evidence to grab a guy with potential. Real (Shaub) or imagined (Johnson).

JoeRedskin · 01-10-2011, 03:45 PM

Another one that worked out for the team taking the risk - Atlanta drafts Farve in Rnd. 2 of the 1991 draft and, a year later, trades him to GBay for the 19th pick in the 1992 draft (which Atlanta used to pick that immortal RB - Tony Smith!).

Farve's stat line in 1991? 0 for 4 w/ 2 interceptions.

dblanch66 · 01-10-2011, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 44ever

And yet he went further than the Redskins. 1st year back and in the Play offs and the Pro Bowl, not bad. Wish he was here.

As far as I know, he killed, tortured and abused more dogs than the redskins did, also.

Defensewins · 01-10-2011, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

^^ Like Shaub did in Atlanta? Seriously, there is such a dearth of QB's that back-ups only need one or two spectacular or even better than average games to be highly sought after. All you need is a flash of talent and a FO desparate enough and, blamo!, first round pick baby! Anyone remember Scott Mitchell? Rob Johnson? Shaub at least panned out a little. How about SD giving up a ton of draft picks for the chance to take Leaf.

The QB position is so important and it is so hard to find consistent starters that teams will pay a lot on little evidence to grab a guy with potential. Real (Shaub) or imagined (Johnson).

Very true.
Another thing that has changed in the NFL is teams no longer keep QB's for a long time and let them develop on the bench. Like we did with Mark Rypien.
Teams do not have the patience to develop a guy or two.
Salary cap and free agency probably has a lot to do with it.
If you keep a backup for 3 to 5 years you probably won't be able to afford him as your back up much longer.

01-10-2011, 11:28 AM	#79
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 50 Posts: 7,166	Re: What Michael Vick won't be ^^ Yup. That's what is coming out of Philly: "Kevin Kolb isn’t one for ultimatums – he handled his demotion this season with class – but the backup quarterback wants out if the Eagles plan on bringing Michael Vick back as their starting quarterback, a source close to the situation said." Kolb wants to start or wants out \| Philadelphia Inquirer \| 01/09/2011 We'll see. I bet they could get some insane deal from a QB hungry team -Arizona, SF (where he would likely be a good fit in Harbaugh's system). So, the young team stocks up on more young talent. At the same time, not sure I trust Vick for the entire 18 game schedule (yes, I said 18) and playoffs. With Vick, you almost have to have a starter quality back up. If I'm the Eagles, I trade Kolb, stock up on run-stuffers and LB's, draft a QB in rounds 3-5 and coach him up to take over in 2 years. Given their run of success, however, I'd simply let the FO make the call and shut up. [I know they want a SB, but, damn I think they are jaded (and stupid) in Eagle land. You trade your pro bowl QB (who has taken you to the SB and NFC Championship and playoff and winning seasons), cut your starting RB and STILL end up winning your division and are stacked with young offensive talent. But you're Eagles' fans so you call for everyone's head and act like the apocalypse has arrived. Live in my world you idiots. Well, at least we have 3 Superbowl trophies.] __________________ My Little Pony: Friendship is magic? or ... a repressive matriarchal society where individuals' roles are defined by their immutable physical characteristics and governance is reserved for those who demonstrate the genetic purity of the pony master race?

01-10-2011, 01:32 PM	#81
NC_Skins Franchise Player Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 8,288	Re: What Michael Vick won't be I say we trade for Kolb with our 2011 2nd rounder and a conditional 3rd or 4th rounder in 2012. ...lol

01-10-2011, 01:55 PM	#83
htownskinfan JUST LIVIN Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: houston,tx Age: 51 Posts: 3,012	Re: What Michael Vick won't be I cant believe you guys want to pounce on him like this after he loses,and im talking about the player,not the person.He's probably the mvp of the league.Yes he's not looked as good the past few games,have you seen his offensive line? He got nailed on the very first play yesterday,if that would have been a skinsqb they would have fumbled and it would have been 7 points the other way.Have you forgotten why Reid chose him to start over Kolb? Because the off line sucked so bad,thats why.Now to blame him because he looks mortal when he's been pounded so bad the past few games to me sounds like sour grapes __________________ Ho Lee Chit

01-10-2011, 03:19 PM	#86
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 2,753	Re: What Michael Vick won't be Is Kolb really going to make an ultimatum? What he needs to do is earn a starting position and play well enough to keep it. Who the hell does he think he is...Malcolm Kelly?

01-10-2011, 03:33 PM	#87
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 50 Posts: 7,166	Re: What Michael Vick won't be ^^ Like Shaub did in Atlanta? Seriously, there is such a dearth of QB's that back-ups only need one or two spectacular or even better than average games to be highly sought after. All you need is a flash of talent and a FO desparate enough and, blamo!, first round pick baby! Anyone remember Scott Mitchell? Rob Johnson? Shaub at least panned out a little. How about SD giving up a ton of draft picks for the chance to take Leaf. The QB position is so important and it is so hard to find consistent starters that teams will pay a lot on little evidence to grab a guy with potential. Real (Shaub) or imagined (Johnson). __________________ My Little Pony: Friendship is magic? or ... a repressive matriarchal society where individuals' roles are defined by their immutable physical characteristics and governance is reserved for those who demonstrate the genetic purity of the pony master race?

01-10-2011, 03:45 PM	#88
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 50 Posts: 7,166	Re: What Michael Vick won't be Another one that worked out for the team taking the risk - Atlanta drafts Farve in Rnd. 2 of the 1991 draft and, a year later, trades him to GBay for the 19th pick in the 1992 draft (which Atlanta used to pick that immortal RB - Tony Smith!). Farve's stat line in 1991? 0 for 4 w/ 2 interceptions. __________________ My Little Pony: Friendship is magic? or ... a repressive matriarchal society where individuals' roles are defined by their immutable physical characteristics and governance is reserved for those who demonstrate the genetic purity of the pony master race?

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