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09-02-2009, 04:52 PM
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| RG Glee  Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 33
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| Re: Vinny tips his hand on the final 53 Quote:
There's no exceptional speed, no special teams skills, no significant run or pass blocking ability... He's merely a decent runner. But we have that in Portis and Betts. | |
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09-02-2009, 04:58 PM
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| The Starter  Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: So. MD Age: 34
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| Re: Vinny tips his hand on the final 53 Quote:
And I personally haven't seen enough from Alridge to think he's a better option than Mason. | |
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09-02-2009, 05:03 PM
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| Puppy Kicker  Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30
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| Re: Vinny tips his hand on the final 53 I don't have the faintest idea. Let me put that in GM speak for you: We're working out the details now, he'll be our #1 WR on opening day.
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09-02-2009, 05:04 PM
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| Playmaker  Join Date: May 2007 Location: Harrisburg, PA Age: 29
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| Re: Vinny tips his hand on the final 53 Quote:
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09-02-2009, 05:04 PM
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| Re: Vinny tips his hand on the final 53 Quote:
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09-02-2009, 05:09 PM
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| Naega jeil jal naga   Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 27
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| Re: Vinny tips his hand on the final 53 Great thread. As far as the final two running backs are concerned I bet they'll have Mason and one of the two speed guys with Aldridge being the favorite. My guess is though that they also end up putting Eddie Williams (FB) on either the PUP list or the practice squad (I don't know if there's a real threat of him getting picked up by another team). Quote:
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09-02-2009, 05:13 PM
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| Living Legend  Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 25
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| Re: Vinny tips his hand on the final 53 Quote:
Now, Sellers is good enough to absolutely demand playing time when he's available. But he's not even a starter in our current offense, which seems to have gone base 3 WRs, and even Fred Davis figures to have more playing time than Sellers. I guess it's a good sign that last year's pro bowl fullback is a situational player for us, but it's the truth.
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09-02-2009, 05:20 PM
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| Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 27
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| Re: Vinny tips his hand on the final 53 I think we should keep in mind that not everyone from the final 53 dresses on gameday. All being on a 53 man roster gurantees is you get a bigger contract then the guys on the practice squad. Being on the 45 man roster is a much bigger deal.
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09-02-2009, 06:16 PM
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| Re: Vinny tips his hand on the final 53 Quote:
My list Portis - The unquestioned starter Betts - Godo pass receiver..average back..Knows the system Sellers - Awesome fullback who can catch the ball. Mason - Good vision and decent speed and decent pass receiver Aldridge - Good speed Jsut because a player went to teams that were loaded with rbs doesn't mean he isn't good. Baltimore - Mcgahee, Rice, McClain Jets - Jones, Johnson, Chatman * Keep in mind that all of the players above were with there teams since OTAs last year and knew the offense. Compared to someone coming in right before the start of the season. I would take Rice and Johnson over Betts and defintiely McCalin over Rock. So make your comparisions. If we have inuries to our running backs this year. You are going to wish we dropped Rock and Kept Aldridge & Mason. Our ST sucks. So stop using that as an excuse to keep Rock. I love my Skins. Saying that. I am not going to let one unproductive player make us lose two running back prospect because he is on special teams and can't perform as a starting RB.
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09-02-2009, 06:26 PM
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| Re: Vinny tips his hand on the final 53 Quote:
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09-02-2009, 07:17 PM
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| RG Glee Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 33
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| Re: Vinny tips his hand on the final 53 Quote:
You get rid of Rock and you have to replace our best tackler on punt coverage, our best tackler on kick off coverage, and our best kick return man. | |
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09-02-2009, 08:21 PM
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| Re: Vinny tips his hand on the final 53 Quote:
1. What happened last year when CP and Betts got hurt? Where was Rock? Oh we went and got a Shaun Alexander aka tip toe burgular.. 2. He has returned one kick for TD..I think it was in 2006. Our special teams sucks. So to say he is the best tackler on special teams and thats the reason you want to keep him is frankly assinine. 3. Rock is 29 years old about to be 30 and so is Betts. We have two RBs that have different type of styles to offer that would be more productive than Rock. - So by your football knowledge. We have no one else that can return kicks. - We have no one that can tackle besides him on special teams and he makes every tackle on special teams? lol Dude please. - We should learn from our mistakes in 08. By not keeping a RB that can contribute if Betts and CP get nicked. We have Moss, Betts, Thomas and other that can return kicks plus have more than one duty on the team. If Danny Smith is such a good ST coach (not). He should prepare all of his players to be good tacklers on ST. But you right. I know nothing about football.
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09-02-2009, 08:33 PM
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| RG Glee Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 33
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| Re: Vinny tips his hand on the final 53 Quote:
But seriously, you're vastly underestimating the importance of special teams. Rock didn't just return a kick for a TD, he ranks in the top 5 or 6 in the NFL in average yards on kick returns. The dude's legit. But I do think we have other players who could adequately replace him on kick returns. Where I'd be much more concerned is punt and kick coverage, considering we already lost two out of our three best special teams tacklers in James Thrash and Khary Campbell. Losing Rock, the last of that coverage trio, would be a loss too great to bear. You'd be screaming at your TV in frustration every time we gave up a long return. As for the injury risk, you're basing most of your argument on the anectdotal evidence from last season, when Betts got hurt and Portis "wore down." First off, Portis's drop off last year had more to do with a decimated offensive line than it did with his own drop off. But that notwithstanding, assuming that both of your top two RBs will be injured at the same time for a prolonged period is nothing short of retarded. Think about it, how many times have we needed to rely on Rock Cartwright (our #3 RB for the last 7 or 8 years) for more than a single game at a time? The benefit Cartwright brings on special teams far outweighs the value Mason brings. Mason can't play teams, and he's no faster than Portis, Betts, or Cartwright. If you're going to mount an argument for any back over Cartwright, it definitely shouldn't be Mason. It should be Alridge, because at least he has a chance of breaking a gigantic play a la Darren Sproles. Mason is completely ordinary. He can find holes and run with authority, that's about it. But he's a liability in pass protection so you can't put him on the field on 3rd downs. He doesn't have breakaway speed so he's not a fit as a change of pace back. And as discussed ad nauseum here, he can't play teams. He might be a decent back with a decent future ahead of him if he can improve on key areas, but we need other skill sets. We're all taken care of in the decent RB department, we've got two of them already. And to sacrifice a key special teams player for the sake of excess insurance at RB is, well, stupid. | |
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09-02-2009, 08:36 PM
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|  Re: Vinny tips his hand on the final 53 Quote:
I was thinking Mike Williams as emergency FB. He was carrying Sellers around on his back the other day like a knapsack.
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09-02-2009, 08:36 PM
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| Re: Vinny tips his hand on the final 53 My take on Mason's likelihood of making the final 53 is it would indicate Zorn has less confidence in Betts than anyone previously thought. I mean that in a comprehensive way, like he doesn't have confidence Ladell can spot CP effectively, stay healthy the entire season and even be a legit starter in case Portis suffers injury. I doubt Zorn sees it this way though. Basically if Betts is a poor man's Portis as some say than Mason is a poor man's Betts. Aldridge or Dorsey should make the team tho cuz they bring something new to the table...super speed and agility. So if we're keeping 5 RBs it's gonna be: CP, Betts, Rock, Sellers, Aldridge or Dorsey.
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