Vinny tips his hand on the final 53

Ruhskins · 09-02-2009, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

If we cut Rob Jackson, we're looking at 0-16.

SBXVII · 09-02-2009, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

Weird. 5 backs is a lot...almost like Vinny expects injuries among that group. It also says Rock is likely a sure thing, which should help out special teams but doesn't do much of anything on offense.

He has not done much since his 1st yr in the league on offense so why in the world would you think it would change after 7 yrs? I know Rock has that cute little title...RB, but he is not untilized as a RB. He is used one dimensionally as a KRer for like the last 6 yrs. Even when his moment to shine appeared the team had so much faith in him they picked up the TTB.

I wonder what people would be saying if Thomas got the nod for KR and was not ever again used as a WR. Never put on the field on offense as a WR. Only used as a KR. When someone is put in that situation isn't their job title supposed to be ....KR specialist. Not RB.

SBXVII · 09-02-2009, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

It's going to be like last year at RB:

Portis
Betts
Sellers
Cartwright

Cartwright has done nothing to lose his job and is great at ST (KO returns), the only way another RB makes the team is if they take from another roster spot say WR like Randle-El or Renaldo Wynn. Unfortunately we just don't have the room for such talented RB's in the roster, it really is a shame.

I guess the development of Devin Thomas in KO could also be a sign that they are thinking of replacing the Rock, but I don't know if Thomas is fully trusted just yet for that role.

That arguement could also be said of his WR skills. Maybe why they are trying him out at KR until he gets better at WR.

dmvskinzfan08 · 09-02-2009, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

It's pretty hard for me to take you seriously when you come at me with sentence fragments.

We're clearly not watching the same team, the Redskins have been one of the better punt and kick coverage teams in recent years. That's directly attributable to guys like Rock, James Thrash, and Khary Campbell.

Your opinion on Rock is so far in the minority that it's not even worth debating anymore. Come back to reality a little bit, study up the numbers some, and maybe we can continue the conversation.

Dude get your head out your ass!! Your truly idiotic. Please post the numbers sir. I am by far not the minority. One thing I must say though you are a royal prick. Its good to be a Rock lover. Thats all fine and dandy. But do you want to win games or do you want to obsess over Rock. The whole team comes before any player. Especially if that player is not producing.

One dimensional player that is average. 30 years old. Is not an asset at any other position. Like Devin Thomas, Moss, or Betts (or even Thrash when he was here for that matter).

You would rather keep him over one of 3 RBs that can groomed for the future?

One that couldn't even back up Betts when he went down last year. Some say punt return duties made that impossible. Okay didn't ARE return punts and was the 2nd WR.

Dude please. Are you doing a headstand? Because you are talking out your ass...Or your not as intelligent as you think you are.

Rock will be gone. Get your Kleenex..

Read my comment and then maybe you can have a better understanding than your blind commitment to a player that has reached his ceiling and is kept on the team because he's such a good tackler on special teams. He can be replaced and someone can take his palce. If not Danny Smith needs to re-examine how he coaches. If Rock is his ST super hero..

Debate with yourself dude..

dmvskinzfan08 · 09-02-2009, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

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He has not done much since his 1st yr in the league on offense so why in the world would you think it would change after 7 yrs? I know Rock has that cute little title...RB, but he is not untilized as a RB. He is used one dimensionally as a KRer for like the last 6 yrs. Even when his moment to shine appeared the team had so much faith in him they picked up the TTB.

I wonder what people would be saying if Thomas got the nod for KR and was not ever again used as a WR. Never put on the field on offense as a WR. Only used as a KR. When someone is put in that situation isn't their job title supposed to be ....KR specialist. Not RB.

Exactly.

Schneed10 · 09-02-2009, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Dude get your head out your ass!! Your truly idiotic. Please post the numbers sir. I am by far not the minority. One thing I must say though you are a royal prick. Its good to be a Rock lover. Thats all fine and dandy. But do you want to win games or do you want to obsess over Rock. The whole team comes before any player. Especially if that player is not producing.

One dimensional player that is average. 30 years old. Is not an asset at any other position. Like Devin Thomas, Moss, or Betts (or even Thrash when he was here for that matter).

You would rather keep him over one of 3 RBs that can groomed for the future?

One that couldn't even back up Betts when he went down last year. Some say punt return duties made that impossible. Okay didn't ARE return punts and was the 2nd WR.

Dude please. Are you doing a headstand? Because you are talking out your ass...Or your not as intelligent as you think you are.

Rock will be gone. Get your Kleenex..

Read my comment and then maybe you can have a better understanding than your blind commitment to a player that has reached his ceiling and is kept on the team because he's such a good tackler on special teams. He can be replaced and someone can take his palce. If not Danny Smith needs to re-examine how he coaches. If Rock is his ST super hero..

Debate with yourself dude..

Here are your numbers:

Rock Cartwright, 6th in the NFL in kickoff return yards, 2008:

2008 NFL Player Returning Stats - National Football League - ESPN

Rock Cartwright, 6th in the NFL in kickoff return yards, 2007:

2007 NFL Player Returning Stats - National Football League - ESPN

Rock Cartwright, 2nd in the NFL in kickoff return yards, 2006:

2006 NFL Player Returning Stats - National Football League - ESPN

By the way, you don't groom RBs for the future. They either come into the league ready to light it up or they don't (see Forte, Matt; Portis, Clinton for immediate success stories). The only way RBs seemingly bloom late is when they're stuck behind an entrenched star and then something changes (see Turner, Michael behind LDT and Holmes, Priest behind Jamal Lewis).

Marcus Mason is not that talented, plain and simple.

Like I said, learn the game and the numbers, and know what you're talking about, then come back and see me.

Miller101 · 09-03-2009, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Dude get your head out your ass!! Your truly idiotic. Please post the numbers sir. I am by far not the minority.

NFL Stats: by Player Category

Rock was number 6 in yardage last year. And he can tackle!!! I would post a link to it, but you know that.

You can look at other years too. And then tell me who is better than Rock over those years. It won't be Mason or Alridge.

dmvskinzfan08 · 09-03-2009, 12:09 AM

[quote=Schneed10;583374]Here are your numbers:

Rock Cartwright, 6th in the NFL in kickoff return yards, 2008:

2008 NFL Player Returning Stats - National Football League - ESPN

Rock Cartwright, 6th in the NFL in kickoff return yards, 2007:

2007 NFL Player Returning Stats - National Football League - ESPN

Rock Cartwright, 2nd in the NFL in kickoff return yards, 2006:

2006 NFL Player Returning Stats - National Football League - ESPN

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The only way RBs seemingly bloom late is when they're stuck behind an entrenched star and then something changes (see Turner, Michael behind LDT and Holmes, Priest behind Jamal Lewis).

Thanks for making my point!!

Okay since you are a great statistician and that's what you base everything on (dork). Post this stat! How many times has he returned one for a TD?

Then come back and talk to yourself.

Is this Rock or Danny Smith? LMAO

Ruhskins · 09-03-2009, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Okay since you are a great statistician and that's what you base everything on (dork). Post this stat! How many times has he returned one for a TD?

Then come back and talk to yourself.

Is this Rock or Danny Smith? LMAO

While I have no beef in this fight, I will just say that stats are pretty important and a bit hard to argue against.

That being said....when does the season start again?

CRedskinsRule · 09-03-2009, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Here are your numbers:

Rock Cartwright, 6th in the NFL in kickoff return yards, 2008:

2008 NFL Player Returning Stats - National Football League - ESPN

Rock Cartwright, 6th in the NFL in kickoff return yards, 2007:

2007 NFL Player Returning Stats - National Football League - ESPN

Rock Cartwright, 2nd in the NFL in kickoff return yards, 2006:

2006 NFL Player Returning Stats - National Football League - ESPN

Thanks for making my point!!

Okay since you are a great statistician and that's what you base everything on (dork). Post this stat! How many times has he returned one for a TD?

Then come back and talk to yourself.

Is this Rock or Danny Smith? LMAO

So are you dismissing the fact that for the past 3 years he has been in the top 6? and if so, what would you accept from his replacement?

First, you asked Schneed to show you the numbers, then you summarily dismiss quantifiable facts and name call. That's a way to lose arguments. As for the TD number, rather than asking a dismissive question you might have gone and looked yourself, my guess is the stats that Schneed gave you include those numbers. But stats are for dorks, so they don't count, but then you ask for them. strange rebuttal sir, strange rebuttal.

dmvskinzfan08 · 09-03-2009, 12:21 AM

Out of those top 10 in stats. How many of them play other roles on their teams besides kick returner? Exactly!!

3. Darren Sproles. Excellent RB. Pass catcher and return man.
4. Quintin Demps - Starting safety for Philly. Might be mistaken.
5. Jerious Norwood - Excellent RB. Pass catcher and return man.
7. Ellis Hobbs - Starting CB and return man
10. Leon Washington - Excellent RB. Pass catcher and return man.
11. Josh Cribbs - Decent WR and Excellent return man. Even played Qb in college. Versatile
12. Andre Davis - Decent WR and Excellent return man.

Rock - Excellent ST tackler and decent return man..LMAO

Devin Hester is 28th on the list. Rock must be better than him and Josh Cribbs. ROTFL

Your comical dude!!

Devin Hester Play WR. Josh Cribbs also..

Stat that...lol

CRedskinsRule · 09-03-2009, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Out of those top 10 in stats. How many of them play other roles on their teams besides kick returner? Exactly!!

3. Darren Sproles. Excellent RB. Pass catcher and return man.
4. Quintin Demps - Starting safety for Philly. Might be mistaken.
5. Jerious Norwood - Excellent RB. Pass catcher and return man.
7. Ellis Hobbs - Starting CB and return man
10. Leon Washington - Excellent RB. Pass catcher and return man.
11. Josh Cribbs - Decent WR and Excellent return man. Even played Qb in college. Versatile
12. Andre Davis - Decent WR and Excellent return man.

Rock - Excellent ST tackler and decent return man..LMAO

Devin Hester is 28th on the list. Rock must be better than him and Josh Cribbs. ROTFL

Your comical dude!!

Devin Hester Play WR. Josh Cribbs also..

Stat that...lol

interesting that Devin Hester had 0 KR/PR for TD according to the stats hmmm.
and the Number 1 returner had, hmmm, 0 tds.
fascinating.

dmvskinzfan08 · 09-03-2009, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

So are you dismissing the fact that for the past 3 years he has been in the top 6? and if so, what would you accept from his replacement?

First, you asked Schneed to show you the numbers, then you summarily dismiss quantifiable facts and name call. That's a way to lose arguments. As for the TD number, rather than asking a dismissive question you might have gone and looked yourself, my guess is the stats that Schneed gave you include those numbers. But stats are for dorks, so they don't count, but then you ask for them. strange rebuttal sir, strange rebuttal.

No he called me a half-wit while back. Stats are important but not everything. Devin Hester is 28th on that list. Would you rather have him or Rock. Josh Cribbs is under him also..Who would you rather have. Is that so hard to understand. No my point was the one I made above. I am well aware that Rock has only return 1 in his whole career. I was actually be sarcastic. because I knew he would go through the effort to post the stats like an ass. But to make my point again. he came out with the half-wit comment and began to belittle me. Read the previous reply then you willget my point. Stats are important. But NOT EVERYTHING. We had the 4th ranked D in the league last year. But only had 28 sacks. Denver was one of the top offenses in the league. They sucked. So there are other things that factor in beside just the numbers..

GTripp0012 · 09-03-2009, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

No he called me a half-wit while back. Stats are important but not everything. Devin Hester is 28th on that list. Would you rather have him or Rock. Josh Cribbs is under him also..Who would you rather have. Is that so hard to understand. No my point was the one I made above. I am well aware that Rock has only return 1 in his whole career. I was actually be sarcastic. because I knew he would go through the effort to post the stats like an ass. But to make my point again. he came out with the half-wit comment and began to belittle me. Read the previous reply then you willget my point. Stats are important. But NOT EVERYTHING. We had the 4th ranked D in the league last year. But only had 28 sacks. Denver was one of the top offenses in the league. They sucked. So there are other things that factor in beside just the numbers..

Well, it's kick returning, not punt returning. And while I'd take Cribbs over pretty much everyone, Hester has never been much of a kick returner. Most of his TD's come against the punt unit.

Rock doesn't return punts. But that doesn't mean he doesn't play on the unit elsewhere. Granted, that one unit does suck, but hard to argue that it's specifically Rock's fault.

dmvskinzfan08 · 09-03-2009, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

interesting that Devin Hester had 0 KR/PR for TD according to the stats hmmm.
and the Number 1 returner had, hmmm, 0 tds.
fascinating.

Okay. Answer this question honestly.

Who would you rather have?

Devin Hester or Rock?
Josh Cribbs or Rock?

Like I said stats are important but they aren't EVERYTHING

As far as the 0 td comment. I think he has been in the league for 7 goingon 8 yrs. So he should havemore than 1 return for a TD..

Look at the versatility of the players on this list. Also look at their ages.

Most play a prominent role on defense or offense. Rock doesn't

09-03-2009, 12:21 AM	#86
dmvskinzfan08 Impact Rookie Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 968	Re: Vinny tips his hand on the final 53 Out of those top 10 in stats. How many of them play other roles on their teams besides kick returner? Exactly!! 3. Darren Sproles. Excellent RB. Pass catcher and return man. 4. Quintin Demps - Starting safety for Philly. Might be mistaken. 5. Jerious Norwood - Excellent RB. Pass catcher and return man. 7. Ellis Hobbs - Starting CB and return man 10. Leon Washington - Excellent RB. Pass catcher and return man. 11. Josh Cribbs - Decent WR and Excellent return man. Even played Qb in college. Versatile 12. Andre Davis - Decent WR and Excellent return man. Rock - Excellent ST tackler and decent return man..LMAO Devin Hester is 28th on the list. Rock must be better than him and Josh Cribbs. ROTFL Your comical dude!! Devin Hester Play WR. Josh Cribbs also.. Stat that...lol __________________ HTTR 09 - RIP#21 HATERS << Misery Loves Company

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