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Old 09-13-2009, 08:30 PM   #76
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Yeah, they were playing soft because the game by that time was won. You need to pound the ball with CP early and often and get Betts off the field.
You do know Betts got a single carry, and that was an audible at the line itself?

Pounding Portis = wasting plays. Some defenses let you have your way with 7 in the box. The Giants only used 7 in the box, but they won the one on ones all day.
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Old 09-13-2009, 08:30 PM   #77
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Is it time to start worry about the Oline yet? Actually handling a top 3 pass rushing D-Line I think we did ok, look at JC stats, great completion % and all that good stuff. I was disappointed when we did run the ball we went nowhere. Then that leads to me to the point, why did we keep running the ball especially in the second half? Zorn play calling was horrible, I mean really disturbing. Call shotgun and get the ball downfield and need some more mis direction plays to cool that rush, screens, counters, etc.

Like you, the one area of Zorn's coaching that is sometimes baffling to me is his play calling. Today I think he stuck with the run too much, and for too long, espically when we were down by two scores in the second half. The Giants loved it because we were using clock, but not scoring any points.
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We stopped running the ball? Really?

When Clinton Portis got his 16th carry, Campbell had 18 pass attempts. Exactly what are you supposed to do when he's plunging into the line for a yard per play?

We put the ball in Campbell's hands, and scored rather easily. They were very understaffed in the secondary.
Running Left was.....inconsistent. Run right was a......disaster. Except for the mercy TD late, the passing game did not get it done. We have some work to do to say the least.
I think the best thing to come of it is the realization that we do not need a tremendous Offensive showing to be in these games.
Our D had us in it. They allowed 17? against one of the best teams in the league and probably the BEST O-line. That could have been......MUCH worse.....HTTR
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Old 09-13-2009, 08:30 PM   #79
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You need to pound the ball with CP early and often and get Betts off the field.
What game were you watching, CP couldnt do squat outside of the first run. I can help but think that has something to do with him not playing in the preseason....and our O-line is pathetic.
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Old 09-13-2009, 08:30 PM   #80
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Obviously the game is really about taking knees. The team that takes the most knees wins like 98% of the time.
If only that worked in the first 3qts of the game.
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If only that worked in the first 3qts of the game.
You mean like running Portis?
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Old 09-13-2009, 08:32 PM   #82
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What game were you watching, CP couldnt do squat outside of the first run. I can help but think that has something to do with him not playing in the preseason....and our O-line is pathetic.
I was watching the game and to me it seemed like CP didn't get many touches. He broke a big one, no reason to believe he can't do it again. Skins abandoned the run. They certainly didn't.
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You mean like running Portis?
How does his knee taking compare to that of the Giants running game?
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How does his knee taking compare to that of Giants running game?
Favorably to Jacobs, unfavorably to Bradshaw.

In all honesty the Giants probably should have taken advantage of our shitty secondary more than they did as well. Jacobs didn't need 16 carries, but you know what, they made an adjustment and went to Bradshaw and then could run the ball.

I'm not saying that going to Betts was any answer, but an adjustment was needed.
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I was watching the game and to me it seemed like CP didn't get many touches. He broke a big one, no reason to believe he can't do it again. Skins abandoned the run. They certainly didn't.
Dude your tripping, all CP all the time!!! Anyone got the stats how many carries he had in the first half, and subtract the 1st carry, it isnt gonna be pretty. I dont think its all his fault, the O-line was pathetic, but he had his chances thats for sure! And once your losing by multiple scores you gotta start throwing the ball!!!
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Old 09-13-2009, 08:37 PM   #86
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From My perspective (Reed Doughty).

Same bullshit, another year. No ice, no chaser, strait up corn liquor. Damn it burns doesn't it? There's no need to analyze anything.

Santana Moss needs to be benched or traded. Eff Moss.

I'm not the one to bash JC, but if he can't lead this team to victory over the G-men then eff him too. He chickened out with that run play when we needed that first down and his game management stinks. Collins can beat them, so could Ramsey.

I (Reed Doughty) have a high motor, but I, nor can the rest of the defense play for 7/8ths of a game.

The defense is going to be drinking warm beer tonight on the way back home. At least it's beer. We threw a humble pie on the floor of the offense's bus. Let them do an interview about that!

My agent tells me that after my one year contract is up, I stand a chance of going to a good team, like Baltimore.

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From My perspective (Reed Doughty).

Same bullshit, another year. No ice, no chaser, strait up corn liquor. Damn it burns doesn't it? There's no need to analyze anything.

Santana Moss needs to be benched or traded. Eff Moss.

I'm not the one to bash JC, but if he can't lead this team to victory over the G-men then eff him too. He chickened out with that run play when we needed that first down and his game management stinks. Collins can beat them, so could Ramsey.

I (Reed Doughty) have a high motor, but I, nor can the rest of the defense play for 7/8ths of a game.

The defense is going to be drinking warm beer tonight on the way back home. At least it's beer. We threw a humble pie on the floor of the offense's bus. Let them do an interview about that!

My agent tells me that after my one year contract is up, I stand a chance of going to a good team, like Baltimore.

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Old 09-13-2009, 08:42 PM   #88
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Re: can WE now start a countdown to a new coach and qb

In my opinion and everyone entiitled to their own opinion but this is a stupid Thread it's only been one game. I'm as mad as anyone but when you watch the game tomorrow you will see Offensively we didn't play that bad. It's the first game i even have to say it the giants are an elite team we will get them at our house wait and see.
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Old 09-13-2009, 08:47 PM   #89
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Re: can WE now start a countdown to a new coach and qb

On the whole JC actually played pretty well. On the Osi fumble play, JC needed to step up. On the interception, JC combined indecisiveness with foolhardiness. Otherwise, however, he was good at finding the open man and delivering the ball on target.

What JC did not have was help from the running game. Whereas the pass protection was not too bad, the run blocking was just awful. And, outside of one run, on the rare occasions when the holes were there, our backs did not take advantage.

JC also did not have help from the defense. Our tackling was just horrible and the secondary gave up too many opportunities in the middle of the field. I'm not sure that Laron Landry, for all of his talent, "gets it" yet.

We have at least 15 more games. Let's hope that some of these problems are fixed the rest of the way.
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Old 09-13-2009, 08:50 PM   #90
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Here's the other thing: in the first half (second quarter), the offense we ran was very, very different from anything we ran last season. In the second half, it was nearly identical to what we ran all of last season.

But that's the difference this year: we can rely on our receivers to beat the DBs. Last year, it was defensible to try to take the game out of the hands of the receivers. This year, you have to let them make plays downfield.
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