Defense = Disappointment

CRedskinsRule · 09-16-2009, 07:01 PM

how would advising Crabtree not to play make any statistical sense?
It's a pretty linear regression saying that every week he holds out, he loses a game check. And the slotting process for rookies is pretty linear. you would have to be a complete imbecile and very bad with math, to try and show Crabtree should hold out from a purely analytical basis.

Not that it has any bearing on how our defense played or didn't play.

dmvskinzfan08 · 09-16-2009, 07:38 PM

and to add this to the arguement with the cowgirl up there. Haynesworth was instrumental in that goal line stop and also in forcing the Giants to kick a field goal. So if anyone played solid on the line he did. As far as the DE's that's a different story.

We definitely need to put Orakpo on the front line. People are saying stopping the run is his issue. But the starters look even more suspect and they are seasoned vets. I think his speed woul dbe crucial on the edge. Not just to get to QBs. But also to stop running backs running to the outside.

I think our LBs played pretty well besides him.

GridIron26 · 09-16-2009, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

and to add this to the arguement with the cowgirl up there. Haynesworth was instrumental in that goal line stop and also in forcing the Giants to kick a field goal. So if anyone played solid on the line he did. As far as the DE's that's a different story.

We definitely need to put Orakpo on the front line. People are saying stopping the run is his issue. But the starters look even more suspect and they are seasoned vets. I think his speed woul dbe crucial on the edge. Not just to get to QBs. But also to stop running backs running to the outside.

I think our LBs played pretty well besides him.

It was first game and he's a rookie.. We should expect to see something like this, especially when he played as DE in Texas.. I'm pretty sure coaches know what to do, they said that they are impressed with him.. He's just learning; if they think that they should let Orakpo move back to DE, then they would do it..

However, I'm advocating for coaches to let him move back to DE next year when we have a chance to draft 1st or 2nd rounder LB to takeover the position..

dmvskinzfan08 · 09-16-2009, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GridIron26

It was first game and he's a rookie.. We should expect to see something like this, especially when he played as DE in Texas.. I'm pretty sure coaches know what to do, they said that they are impressed with him.. He's just learning; if they think that they should let Orakpo move back to DE, then they would do it..

However, I'm advocating for coaches to let him move back to DE next year when we have a chance to draft 1st or 2nd rounder LB to takeover the position..

Sounds good. But I am questioning Blatche and Zorn on play calls and personel usage. I read something on the Redskins blog about Blatche saying the corners will play closer this game. Ummm did it take him all this time to realize this????

On another note. Is it Blatche or Blache? Is he related to Andray Blatche of the Wizards?..lol. Just kidding.

dmvskinzfan08 · 09-27-2009, 04:42 PM

Our defense is horrible!!!!!!!!!!

Hog1 · 09-27-2009, 04:45 PM

yes, they are

TheSmurfs22 · 09-27-2009, 04:46 PM

While the D looked sloppy at times today (got to stop those 3rd down conv), you cannot expect them to carry this team game after game. The Skins' time of poss is horrendous, eventually it is going to take a toll on the D.

SirClintonPortis · 09-27-2009, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSmurfs22

While the D looked sloppy at times today (got to stop those 3rd down conv), you cannot expect them to carry this team game after game. The Skins' time of poss is horrendous, eventually it is going to take a toll on the D.

The D helped contribute to the loss in the TOP battle by botching multiple oppurtunities to make a stop on 3rd down.

dmvskinzfan08 · 09-27-2009, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

The D helped contribute to the loss in the TOP battle by botching multiple oppurtunities to make a stop on 3rd down.

Exactly

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 09-27-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSmurfs22

While the D looked sloppy at times today (got to stop those 3rd down conv), you cannot expect them to carry this team game after game. The Skins' time of poss is horrendous, eventually it is going to take a toll on the D.

The defense played a huge role in the time of possession. They allowed a rookie QB make them look like a mediocre-to-poor defense. I am starting to believe that Blache's scheme simply stinks. The man has repeatedly said that sacks are overrated. In my opinion, Blache is simply wrong. We don't produce pressure and so we don't produce big plays, despite having guys like Haynesworth, Orakpo, Fletcher, and others on defense. The defense bends, bends, bends, and occasionally breaks. While they don't let teams score 30 points on a consistent basis, they consistently fail to get a lot of 3 and outs and don't make the plays that they should.

Moreover, there are telltale signs of poor coaching. How many missed tackles have we seen over the past 3 weeks? That's Coaching 101. It's one thing if DBs are biting on play-action to often, it's quite another if they can't tackle. I just don't have any faith in this defense.

Beemnseven · 09-27-2009, 04:54 PM

Yeah, where the hell is this pass rush? Where is Andre Carter? Where is Philip Daniels?

Wasn't AH supposed to open things up for these guys?

dmvskinzfan08 · 09-27-2009, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSmurfs22

While the D looked sloppy at times today (got to stop those 3rd down conv), you cannot expect them to carry this team game after game. The Skins' time of poss is horrendous, eventually it is going to take a toll on the D.

Yes our time of possession was horrible in large part because the defense couldn't stop the Lions on third down. We can't expect them to win the games for us but they have to at least tackle and come to play!

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 09-27-2009, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Yeah, where the hell is this pass rush? Where is Andre Carter? Where is Philip Daniels?

Wasn't AH supposed to open things up for these guys?

Ask Blache that question and watch him blow up, like he did on Comcast (?).

GTripp0012 · 09-27-2009, 04:58 PM

Carter's not winning his one on ones like he was last year. Golston hardly needs to be blocked. Whatever Daniels had left in terms of rushing the passer is gone. You have Haynesworth, you have Griffin, and if Orakpo doesn't come, you have Carter not really embarrassing himself out there.

I like Lorenzo Alexander. He needs more playing time, and frankly, he can play any position on the line. He has to start at this point.

GTripp0012 · 09-27-2009, 05:00 PM

Surprisingly, Blache is blitzing less than last year...which would be great if we had last year's personnel. Having a four man rush while Phillip Daniels and Kedric Golston are on the field essentially means that either Haynesworth or Carter have to beat their matchups or there is no pressure.

When Orakpo AND Carter AND Haynesworth come, we get good pressure on the quarterback. But the DL rotation has not worked out well.

09-16-2009, 07:01 PM	#151
CRedskinsRule MVP Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pasadena, Md Age: 45 Posts: 10,906	Re: Defense = Disappointment how would advising Crabtree not to play make any statistical sense? It's a pretty linear regression saying that every week he holds out, he loses a game check. And the slotting process for rookies is pretty linear. you would have to be a complete imbecile and very bad with math, to try and show Crabtree should hold out from a purely analytical basis. Not that it has any bearing on how our defense played or didn't play.

09-16-2009, 07:38 PM	#152
dmvskinzfan08 Impact Rookie Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 968	Re: Defense = Disappointment and to add this to the arguement with the cowgirl up there. Haynesworth was instrumental in that goal line stop and also in forcing the Giants to kick a field goal. So if anyone played solid on the line he did. As far as the DE's that's a different story. We definitely need to put Orakpo on the front line. People are saying stopping the run is his issue. But the starters look even more suspect and they are seasoned vets. I think his speed woul dbe crucial on the edge. Not just to get to QBs. But also to stop running backs running to the outside. I think our LBs played pretty well besides him. __________________ HTTR 09 - RIP#21 HATERS << Misery Loves Company

09-27-2009, 04:42 PM	#155
dmvskinzfan08 Impact Rookie Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 968	Re: Defense = Disappointment Our defense is horrible!!!!!!!!!! __________________ HTTR 09 - RIP#21 HATERS << Misery Loves Company

09-27-2009, 04:45 PM	#156
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 8,375	Re: Defense = Disappointment yes, they are __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... Win! Always win! By fair means or foul, by soft words and hard deeds... by treachery, by cunning, by malpractice... but always win--Edward Teach

09-27-2009, 04:46 PM	#157
TheSmurfs22 Impact Rookie Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Staunton, VA Posts: 957	Re: Defense = Disappointment While the D looked sloppy at times today (got to stop those 3rd down conv), you cannot expect them to carry this team game after game. The Skins' time of poss is horrendous, eventually it is going to take a toll on the D.

09-27-2009, 04:54 PM	#161
Beemnseven Fighting off The Crazies Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 39 Posts: 5,280	Re: Defense = Disappointment Yeah, where the hell is this pass rush? Where is Andre Carter? Where is Philip Daniels? Wasn't AH supposed to open things up for these guys?

09-27-2009, 04:58 PM	#164
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 25 Posts: 15,143	Re: Defense = Disappointment Carter's not winning his one on ones like he was last year. Golston hardly needs to be blocked. Whatever Daniels had left in terms of rushing the passer is gone. You have Haynesworth, you have Griffin, and if Orakpo doesn't come, you have Carter not really embarrassing himself out there. I like Lorenzo Alexander. He needs more playing time, and frankly, he can play any position on the line. He has to start at this point. __________________ Shanahan: “The bad thing is he's [Sav Rocca] probably our best offensive weapon and that’s not good.”

09-27-2009, 05:00 PM	#165
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 25 Posts: 15,143	Re: Defense = Disappointment Surprisingly, Blache is blitzing less than last year...which would be great if we had last year's personnel. Having a four man rush while Phillip Daniels and Kedric Golston are on the field essentially means that either Haynesworth or Carter have to beat their matchups or there is no pressure. When Orakpo AND Carter AND Haynesworth come, we get good pressure on the quarterback. But the DL rotation has not worked out well. __________________ Shanahan: “The bad thing is he's [Sav Rocca] probably our best offensive weapon and that’s not good.”

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