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Old 09-13-2009, 10:36 PM   #31
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Re: Defense = Disappointment

For me I felt like the defense didn't get off the field on third downs enough. That and shoddy tackling along with poor pass rushing led to the Giants moving the ball comfortably down the field all day. Those are the things we need to work on if we plan on being a great defense again. Also where was that Haynesworth-Orakpo duo? Orakpo didn't show up and Haynesworth had his solo moments. I thought that pass rushing combo (along with Carter being freed up on the other side) was supposed to be great?

As for the Campbell fumble that Osi returned for a touchdown, well it all could've been avoided if Campbell just stepped up in the pocked sooner. Samuels didn't do that bad of a job on Osi it's just Campbell didn't step up and Osi extended those long arms and got a hand on the ball. The pass protection on that play wasn't bad Campbell just needs to step up in the pocket sooner.
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Old 09-13-2009, 10:39 PM   #32
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Our offense has looked like a high school teams for the better part of the last 10 years . I thought that the Defense was a huge dissapointment today , I felt NY could have scored all day if they wanted , remember , they have ZERO veterans at WR/TE with any real experience . Luckily for us , LAMS are next ..... we better win 27-10 .
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Who was playing SAM when Orakpo was playing DE
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Old 09-13-2009, 10:47 PM   #34
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I think reid doughty would be the extra defender we'd bring in and philip daniels would come off the field and orakpo would go to DE
I saw Reed alot, but I was hoping to see Chris Wilson rushing the passer alot from the SAM when Orakpo was down.
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Old 09-13-2009, 11:09 PM   #35
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I think the defense was definitely a disappointment, the secondary let an inexperienced wr corps look good. Even when they were in the right position they missed tackles(Smoot and Landry come to mind) and Deangelo played terribly. There were some positives and some guys had great efforts but as a unit they underperformed. When the Giants tried to attack the heart of the defense they got nowhere except for a couple of runs by Bradshaw, but when they attacked our so called skilled positions in space they made us look bad. This lost was a team effort the defense definitely did not play well enough and with the exception of a long, when it didn't really matter touchdown drive against the prevent, the offense didn't play well enough either.
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We had ~300 yards of total offense. They had over 350. Maybe, in the alternate dimension you live in where the defense is never responsible for losses, and always responsible for wins, that can be debateable, but here, it's probably made the difference in a 7 point game.

Not to excuse two turnovers, but despite what last year might have led us to believe, those things actually occur in football games.
How many of those yards came on our last drive against a soft defense and how many of those yards resulted in points? Defense looked bad offense looked bad also, this one stunk and it was a team effort. However, I consider the source.
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Old 09-13-2009, 11:28 PM   #37
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O, Gee, what happend again when jason fumbled. Oh yeah thats right, Osi ran it for a touchdown. Let's say that doesn't happen, then the score would be 17-16 Redskins. Campbell runs, throws the football 4 yards past the line of scrimmage...FOR A INT. Let's say that doesn't happen, then we could of had mabe a field goal, or would have pinned them deep in their end of the field. Score could have been 20-16 Us had neither of those of happend, or one of those it could have been 17-16. Jason played way tooo stupid today. Quit backing him up, we get it you like him, but he played awful today. Should have run it on some QB draws more..Next week he better rebound..
I never said I liked JC. I criticized him for his mistakes. But I criticized him reasonably.

Hitting 73% of your passes with a ypa above 7 is neither stupid nor awful.
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Old 09-13-2009, 11:54 PM   #38
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The defense reminded me of last year. They kept the score down but when we need a stop they can't do it. However the defense did not lose this game. This one is 100% on the offense. Defense gave them the ball deep in NY's territory and we had to settle for 3. That was awful. JC's turnover led two 7 points and we lost by 6. There is your game right there.

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Old 09-14-2009, 12:09 AM   #39
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The defense reminded me of last year. They kept the score down but when we need a stop they can't do it. However the defense did not lose this game. This one is 100% on the offense. Defense gave them the ball deep in NY's territory and we had to settle for 3. That was awful.
Well, even if they didn't suck in that one short-field third quarter drive and threw a TD, that's still a two point deficit that couldn't be covered unless we had found another possession somewhere.

We didn't have the ball long enough for that single offensive failure to matter.

Now, if you score a touchdown there AND you don't fumble away that defensive TD, and you don't get intercepted on a pass over the line, then we probably win the game in spite of the defense, but do we really need to be flawless on offense before we admit the defense choked the big one?
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Old 09-14-2009, 12:13 AM   #40
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I think the defense is a disappointment because they are supposed to be the stronger part of our team and that didn't show.

The DBs played terrible, since they couldn't cover wideouts who had no more than 1-year of experienced.

Landry seemed to be more concerned with hitting Brandon Jacob as payback for last year (leading to the personal foul) than actually playing the game.

Our line didn't generate enough rush to affect the passing game.

The offense had its issues too (but what a freaking concept, I'll talk about that in the thread for that topic!) but it is hard to overlook these deficiencies in the defense. Once again, let's stop pin the fault of a bad game on a single unit or player. Just as it takes a team to win, you also lose as a team.
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Yeah. We should just play the games over 4 days from now on. Then, when the Giants have like 14, 15 play drives (NFL average = 6), the defense can rest without actually having to get themselves off the field.

Good idea.
Lets do the math:

Giants scored 23 pts, the defense gave up 16 pts of those points and the offense gave up 7 pts. The offense scored 17 points.

If no offensive turnover the score would be 17-16 Skins.
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Some of the defense played well most of the time. Some of the defense played well very little of the time. You can't win like that.
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Lets do the math:

Giants scored 23 pts, the defense gave up 16 pts of those points and the offense gave up 7 pts. The offense scored 17 points.

If no offensive turnover the score would be 17-16 Skins.
So who gave up the most points? The offense or the defense? Who scored the most points? Offense or defense?
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Old 09-14-2009, 12:25 AM   #44
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Well, it's really obvious that the biggest problem for this team today was the defense. Any discussion of why we lost has to start with the defense not being able to get off the field. Two turnovers is good. Andre Carter and LaRon Landry each made a play. So far, we're creating the big plays.

But it's going to be tough to get off the field all year with Smoot and Hall. We had trouble getting off the field at the end of last year, and that was when we had Shawn Springs in the starting lineup.

No one is going to throw at Carlos Rogers this year, so we might need to get in the market for a cover corner.

I thought Rocky Mac played a really good game today. But when we start 3 guys who can't play man coverage on defense, we might have to go zone. It doesn't seem like we have a choice.
I just don't understand your thinking. Improvements need to be made across the board. Defense and offense. But to say defense lost this game is ridiculous.
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Lets do the math:

Giants scored 23 pts, the defense gave up 16 pts of those points and the offense gave up 7 pts. The offense scored 17 points.

If no offensive turnover the score would be 17-16 Skins.
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