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Old 09-14-2009, 03:38 AM   #76
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Re: Defense = Disappointment

I think the D did a good job considering the offence couldn't move the ball. They only gave up one touchdown, the offence gave up the other. Campbell sustain drives give the D rest and I think we could go all the way baby.
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Old 09-14-2009, 04:25 AM   #77
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How 'bout both the offense and defense lost the game, ok?

Couldn't say it better. Both units sucked equally!!
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Old 09-14-2009, 05:15 AM   #78
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The big issue I have with the defense was that 4th quarter drive that seemed to go on for ever . The Giants came away with 3 points but took off 7 minutes off the clock .

Poor tackling in the secondary will have to be addressed, they need to play closer on third down . Manningham should have been stopped by Smoot but he missed, Carter was too slow to the edge and Hall was flat out embarressed .

Horton was too aggressive he took himself out of too many plays, Orakopo was a none factor . One comedy moment was on one play where we got penetration and two or three Skins were in the backfield quickly and everyone seemed shocked and paused long enough for Eli to take off and Landry was looking for revenge everytime he was in 30 yards of Barber ...

All that said though the D did have its high points . It not allow a 100 yard receiver ...held the best rushing attack in the NFL in 2008 to 103 yards total . Barber had an average of 2.9 yards per carry and fletcher played out of his socks today ... but that is all going to be overlooked ...
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Old 09-14-2009, 07:22 AM   #79
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Landry was looking for revenge everytime he was in 30 yards of Barber ...

All that said though the D did have its high points . It not allow a 100 yard receiver ...held the best rushing attack in the NFL in 2008 to 103 yards total . Barber had an average of 2.9 yards per carry and fletcher played out of his socks today ... but that is all going to be overlooked ...
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Old 09-14-2009, 08:50 AM   #80
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1 ) Our offense did not score a TD until the game was ... over . 2 ) our Defense could not get off the field against what was an average offense at the end of 08 after Burress.
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Old 09-14-2009, 09:14 AM   #81
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If I were Blache, I think I would start FINING anyone who tries to "chip" instead of a REAL tackle that actually puts the ball carrier on the ground...........Killing us
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Old 09-14-2009, 09:19 AM   #82
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D didn't play great and they obviously were on the field too long. Can't say they were a total disappointment though. The Giants have probably the best OL in the league and Manning is craftier than people give him credit for.
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Old 09-14-2009, 09:19 AM   #83
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I didn't expect the Skins to win, but I did expect them to play disciplined, mistake free football with some attitude. Were my expectations too high?
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Old 09-14-2009, 10:21 AM   #84
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Lets do the math:

Giants scored 23 pts, the defense gave up 16 pts of those points and the offense gave up 7 pts. The offense scored 17 points.

If no offensive turnover the score would be 17-16 Skins.
I agree what you saying, but the Manning committed the same two offensive turnovers and the Giants still won. I think what GTripp is trying to say is the defense might be plagued with the same issues it was last year, not being able to score off defensive turnovers. It is still too early to tell. That was the purpose of paying someone like AH 100 mil so the defensive will cause the QB to fumble/throw int and sometimes even score off those turnovers. I think he is blame the scheme more than placing the blame on players.

The real question is why in the last couple of years do the skins have to play perfect football to win games.

JC and some of the defensive players get some of the blame with poor decision making. To me 95% of the blame goes to Zorn and Blache. They both called a horrible game and didn't do much to put the players in a position to win. If they would have called better plays/scheme they could have easily beat the Giants. Zorn set the tone(really lost the game) of the game the minute he wanted A.R. to throw a pass to Moss instead of Campbell or running the ball. A.R gets sacked and they lose 10 yards after Portis gain 30 yds(I think). Imagine if they would have scored a td during that possession. It would have be 7-3 skins and I think game would have had a different momentum and outcome.
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Old 09-14-2009, 10:26 AM   #85
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I wouldnt say that they were that bad. Last I checked most teams score 10-14 points in 2 red-zone trips, not 3. They could have started out 14 nothing then got the other 14 points and been up 31-7 at the half. Chris Horton was playing way to far up on a lot of plays, but the rest of the defensive backs were fine.
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Old 09-14-2009, 10:40 AM   #86
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D didn't play great and they obviously were on the field too long. Can't say they were a total disappointment though. The Giants have probably the best OL in the league and Manning is craftier than people give him credit for.
Crafty is a good way to describe him. He's nowhere near the elite QB that some people claim he is, but he makes an efficient play when he needs to.
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Old 09-14-2009, 10:58 AM   #87
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I guess I could nit pick a few things but the biggest thing that stands out was allowing the Giants to have that long drive in the 4th. Still the D held them to only 16 points and stuffed them in the red zone twice. This loss is on the O.
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Old 09-14-2009, 11:18 AM   #88
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The DBs are playing to far off the WRs. D. Hall is getting roasted almost ever play. Should have kept springs. D-Line has to get more pressure, Orakpo needs to be @ DE not linebacker
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Old 09-14-2009, 11:23 AM   #89
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I'm not in disagreement with you on what's ailing the offense. I thought that was established.

The big problem with the defense is never, ever going to be any more evident than it was today. We had one three and out. Then the two turnover drives. THE GIANTS DID NOT PUT THEIR PUNTER ON THE FIELD UNTIL THE MIDDLE OF THE THIRD QUARTER.

We won't know for 5 weeks or so just how much of our defensive struggles today were because the Giants are a great passing team. Maybe none. Maybe a lot. But considering how thoroughly dominated we were through the air on defense, I don't see how anyone could not see the giant gaping hole on the team.

And no, the offense was not perfect. They made two costly errors, and couldn't open up any running lanes. But the passing game was the only thing that worked today.
You have to give the Giants some credit though instead of simply blaming the defense. Their o-line is outstanding and outside of Haynesworth we've got average players on our d-line. We simply can not pressure Manning with 4 guys. But if you would tell me that we'd give up 16 I'd take it.
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Old 09-14-2009, 11:35 AM   #90
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I agree that the NYG receivers are really underrated- only because their combined years experience is so low. Smith has been one of the best route runners I've seen since college- and he rarely ever drops a ball. Hixon is up and coming and Nicks seems to have been a steal in the draft.

But our secondary play was the pits yesterday... sloppy tackling, bad angles, nonsensical scheme (or maybe our guys are just playing to headhunt/make big plays).
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