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Old 09-14-2009, 08:19 AM   #76
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Re: Defense = Disappointment

D didn't play great and they obviously were on the field too long. Can't say they were a total disappointment though. The Giants have probably the best OL in the league and Manning is craftier than people give him credit for.
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Old 09-14-2009, 08:19 AM   #77
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I didn't expect the Skins to win, but I did expect them to play disciplined, mistake free football with some attitude. Were my expectations too high?
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Old 09-14-2009, 09:21 AM   #78
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Lets do the math:

Giants scored 23 pts, the defense gave up 16 pts of those points and the offense gave up 7 pts. The offense scored 17 points.

If no offensive turnover the score would be 17-16 Skins.
I agree what you saying, but the Manning committed the same two offensive turnovers and the Giants still won. I think what GTripp is trying to say is the defense might be plagued with the same issues it was last year, not being able to score off defensive turnovers. It is still too early to tell. That was the purpose of paying someone like AH 100 mil so the defensive will cause the QB to fumble/throw int and sometimes even score off those turnovers. I think he is blame the scheme more than placing the blame on players.

The real question is why in the last couple of years do the skins have to play perfect football to win games.

JC and some of the defensive players get some of the blame with poor decision making. To me 95% of the blame goes to Zorn and Blache. They both called a horrible game and didn't do much to put the players in a position to win. If they would have called better plays/scheme they could have easily beat the Giants. Zorn set the tone(really lost the game) of the game the minute he wanted A.R. to throw a pass to Moss instead of Campbell or running the ball. A.R gets sacked and they lose 10 yards after Portis gain 30 yds(I think). Imagine if they would have scored a td during that possession. It would have be 7-3 skins and I think game would have had a different momentum and outcome.
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Old 09-14-2009, 09:26 AM   #79
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I wouldnt say that they were that bad. Last I checked most teams score 10-14 points in 2 red-zone trips, not 3. They could have started out 14 nothing then got the other 14 points and been up 31-7 at the half. Chris Horton was playing way to far up on a lot of plays, but the rest of the defensive backs were fine.
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D didn't play great and they obviously were on the field too long. Can't say they were a total disappointment though. The Giants have probably the best OL in the league and Manning is craftier than people give him credit for.
Crafty is a good way to describe him. He's nowhere near the elite QB that some people claim he is, but he makes an efficient play when he needs to.
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Old 09-14-2009, 09:58 AM   #81
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I guess I could nit pick a few things but the biggest thing that stands out was allowing the Giants to have that long drive in the 4th. Still the D held them to only 16 points and stuffed them in the red zone twice. This loss is on the O.
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Old 09-14-2009, 10:18 AM   #82
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The DBs are playing to far off the WRs. D. Hall is getting roasted almost ever play. Should have kept springs. D-Line has to get more pressure, Orakpo needs to be @ DE not linebacker
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Old 09-14-2009, 10:23 AM   #83
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I'm not in disagreement with you on what's ailing the offense. I thought that was established.

The big problem with the defense is never, ever going to be any more evident than it was today. We had one three and out. Then the two turnover drives. THE GIANTS DID NOT PUT THEIR PUNTER ON THE FIELD UNTIL THE MIDDLE OF THE THIRD QUARTER.

We won't know for 5 weeks or so just how much of our defensive struggles today were because the Giants are a great passing team. Maybe none. Maybe a lot. But considering how thoroughly dominated we were through the air on defense, I don't see how anyone could not see the giant gaping hole on the team.

And no, the offense was not perfect. They made two costly errors, and couldn't open up any running lanes. But the passing game was the only thing that worked today.
You have to give the Giants some credit though instead of simply blaming the defense. Their o-line is outstanding and outside of Haynesworth we've got average players on our d-line. We simply can not pressure Manning with 4 guys. But if you would tell me that we'd give up 16 I'd take it.
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Old 09-14-2009, 10:35 AM   #84
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I agree that the NYG receivers are really underrated- only because their combined years experience is so low. Smith has been one of the best route runners I've seen since college- and he rarely ever drops a ball. Hixon is up and coming and Nicks seems to have been a steal in the draft.

But our secondary play was the pits yesterday... sloppy tackling, bad angles, nonsensical scheme (or maybe our guys are just playing to headhunt/make big plays).
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Old 09-14-2009, 10:36 AM   #85
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The defense did an okay job against a very good offense. However, with the additions of Haynesworth and Orakpo, I expected more. The defense failed to consistently pressure Manning, had trouble containing off-tackle runs, and made sloppy mistakes (e.g., missing tackles). I hope it rebounds.


BTW, it's just week 1 and I expect this stat to improve dramatically, but the defense is currently the 19th ranked defense.
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Old 09-14-2009, 11:13 AM   #86
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My biggest disappointments from the D:

1. Orakpo was almost never mentioned - he needs to be rushing the QB far more than he did yesterday. Dropping him in coverage on obvious passing downs is a waste of his ability to pressure the QB.

2. Hall looked lost at times in coverage. Our DB's give far too much cushion to opposing WRs. I miss Springs playing press coverage and getting physical with opposing WRs

3. Pass rush on 3rd down, or lack thereof. It didn't seem that our front four could get to Eli, even on 3rd and long. That said, the defensive stands on 3rd/4th and 1 plays was very impressive. Haynesworth beat a double team to make the stop on the 4th and 1 inside the 5. Hopefully the pass rush follows suit in the coming weeks.
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Old 09-14-2009, 11:36 AM   #87
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The absolute bottom line is the offense needs to produce. Point-blank, thats it, no excuses. Everybody, JC, Zorn, recievers, line. That performance yesterday was garbage. Plain and simple. Everyone who plays O deserves to shoulder the blame. The excuses of JC under another new offense, Zorn is a first year head coach he will improve, the oline will be better, all that is gone. The offense should be better than last year. In order to win in this division is you got to score. Anybody see the points Cowboys and Eagles scored yesterday? The mistakes have to end or Zorn and Campbell are gone-bottom line and thats not my opinion, that is reality. Snyder isnt going to wait on Zorn. Now everyone wants to point fingers at the Defense. I have a sh*t-ton more faith in Blache and the Defensive than Zorn and the Offensive. That secondary is basically the same from last year when the Defense was 4th in the league and our D-line players have greatly improved. Now the D didnt play great yesterday BUT they provided opportunities for the crap offense and they did NOTHING. I dont need to provide stats to back up what I saw yesterday on offense, anybody who watched saw we were shut down. Toss that game ending touchdown out the window, that is not a factor. We are only as good as a last game. Not too good.
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Old 09-14-2009, 11:50 AM   #88
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Taken from the Skins blog. Positives
solid work from some of the less-heralded defenders, including Lorenzo Alexander, Rocky McIntosh, and Reed Doughty
That's right, Reed Doughty. Recognize!
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Old 09-14-2009, 11:50 AM   #89
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I really don't like blache.. everybody think he's a good dc.. but he never brings pressure and corners be 10 yards away from the wideouts he has to play bump and bring heat up the middel or we are going to ate up all day.. that's the only reason d hall look so bad.. because he was so far off the wideout.. I just don't like are scheme at all on defense.. if we don't do any changes then we are really in for a long season
I agree with you, the defense is a product of the Blache scheme, and hes always one step behind the offense...When Zorn and Campbell get shipped, include Blache on the flight!!!!
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solid work from some of the less-heralded defenders, including Lorenzo Alexander, Rocky McIntosh, and Reed Doughty
That's right, Reed Doughty. Recognize!
People aren't bashing Doughty nearly as much as they use to are they? He's solid in there. A bright spot.
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