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Old 09-16-2009, 09:58 AM   #46
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I assumed he changed it from Braves to Redskins because it sounds more like Red Sox.

The fact that this filing was timed to the opening of the football season suggests to me that this is less about righting an injustice than it is about garnering publicity to help fund raising.
That cannot be right they alleady have 7 people in their group.LOL
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Old 09-16-2009, 05:32 PM   #47
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Re: American Indians look to high court

Bill Plaschke or whatever his name is, on Around The Horn just told the judges to "do the right thing and get rid of the name: Redskins"
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Old 09-16-2009, 05:40 PM   #48
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Plaschke, Do the right thing and get a toupee.
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Old 09-18-2009, 12:17 AM   #49
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Re: American Indians look to high court

So why is it that Florida State can have a Seminole?

Why can a chewing tobacco company use this?



Did every other team ask if it was ok to use the likeness of types of people before they made their logos?

Did any of the teams that were named after animals petition PETA to make sure that it was OK to use animal likeness in Logos? The answer is no because it is absurd to do so.

If any Native American wants to name their casino the "Pale Face Palace" It would not bother me one bit. The truth is that they are just logos and nicknames that were created to provide an identity and instill a minute amount of fear into the opposition while providing pride for the teams followers. In no way is it degrading a people.

I have a 100% Native American Aunt who is from Michigan and married into our family decades ago. My grandmother is 50% Cherokee. Both of them are Redskin fans. This fight has no merrit in my mind.
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Old 09-18-2009, 12:44 AM   #50
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Probably the greatest victory of the PC crowd. Or worst, depending on how you look at it.

I concur with irish that one day, hopefully not in my lifetime, the nickname will be changed.
Really? Was it a victory by the "PC crowd" or simply a conscientious and responsible decision by the owners of the team? And what exactly is the perspective of those who find the changing of the name bullets as the "worst" victory of the "PC crowd"?? I'm wracking my brain here trying to figure out what the negatives would be for a professional sports team residing in a urban center plagued with gun violence to change its name to something that doesn't invoke guns and violence, but I'm afraid I'm drawing a blank.
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Because then they get a terrible name like the wizards.
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With regards to the Bullets changing their name I was under the impression that the owner decided to change the name after his good friend who just happened to be the Prime Minister of Israel got murdered. He alone decided that he didn't want the team name to have any connection to gun violence.
Well that was sort of the final straw that led to his decision...however, Pollin felt the name Bullets had acquired violent overtones.
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Re: American Indians look to high court

I think the Patriots and the Cowboys should be forced to change their respective names because they glorify the very people who stole land from the Native Americans. Hell, you could probably also include the Vikings in that group.
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Old 09-18-2009, 10:37 AM   #54
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I'm a huge hoops fan and I've always loved the name Bullets. I wish they would change the name back to it. The Baltimore Bullets made sense, due to the munitions factories put there to ship supplies to our troops in Europe. Washington Bullets doesn't make as much sense, but it's still a cool name and Wizards is just an awful name. I'd have preferred Sea Dogs.

The Redskins name should go. Change it to the Warlords. Washington Warlords has got a ring to it and some historical context, due to the great presidents and generals who have led wars from this city where I'm typing.

The fact that some other offensive Amerindian names and images are still being used is not relevant. The right thing should be done because it is the right thing to do. Let others be wrong.
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Old 09-18-2009, 10:39 AM   #55
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I think the Patriots and the Cowboys should be forced to change their respective names because they glorify the very people who stole land from the Native Americans. Hell, you could probably also include the Vikings in that group.
I think the federal and state governments had done whatever they wanted to do to the Amerindians before the massive immigration from Scandinavia to the upper Midwest took place.

Cowboys and Patriots aren't names that offend anyone.
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Old 09-18-2009, 10:43 AM   #56
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Fine. If this happens then all ethnic teams should go. Well then goodbye: redskins vikings, cowboys, buccaneers, patriots, chiefs, indians, braves, pirates, canadians, blackhawks, canucks, fighting irish, seminoles, and so on...
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Re: American Indians look to high court

Native American equivalent to the N-word?


How is it the equivalent to the 'N' word?

More PC bollocks from the LA Times. Worst paper ever.
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I wonder what Bill Plaschke's credentials on the subject are?
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So why is it that Florida State can have a Seminole?

Why can a chewing tobacco company use this?



Did every other team ask if it was ok to use the likeness of types of people before they made their logos?

Did any of the teams that were named after animals petition PETA to make sure that it was OK to use animal likeness in Logos? The answer is no because it is absurd to do so.

If any Native American wants to name their casino the "Pale Face Palace" It would not bother me one bit. The truth is that they are just logos and nicknames that were created to provide an identity and instill a minute amount of fear into the opposition while providing pride for the teams followers. In no way is it degrading a people.

I have a 100% Native American Aunt who is from Michigan and married into our family decades ago. My grandmother is 50% Cherokee. Both of them are Redskin fans. This fight has no merrit in my mind.
In the state of Florida, the head of the Seminole tribe went to bat for the Florida Seminole team. According to her they were not offended but honored by the........reverence, and respect attached by the Seminole faithful.
Makes you wonder just WHO was offended if the NA's were not?
ACLU?
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Native American equivalent to the N-word?


How is it the equivalent to the 'N' word?

More PC bollocks from the LA Times. Worst paper ever.
It isn't. The N word is universally regarded as demeaning. Redskins is not in any way considered as such (except maybe to football sensibilities at times). There could be some people who don't like the term. But you can find some people to not like anything.

Saving a choking baby? You can find some people who don't like it.
Capitalism? Some don't like it.
Smootsmack? Njall doesn't like him.

Just because a few don't like it doesn't make it wrong. Now if they could prove a culturally significant group of unignorable size thought it was offensive then maybe I could understand.
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